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Legal Advice Needed - ExBoss owes me $ so I´ve hijacked the corporate accs

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by FLYqtFLY, Aug 25, 2013.

  1. FLYqtFLY

    FLYqtFLY Registered Member

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    Hello everyone,

    It´s been almost two months without digging in BHW. I´ve been pretty busy setting my own marketing agency which I will be launching in a couple of weeks time. I´m about to achieve what I´ve working for during the last two years (I really need to thank lot´s of people here in BHW whose tips and advice had been essential during this journey, but this is not the time to do so). There is only one thing that still concerns me, and it is related to my previous work.

    The company I used to work for closed around 2 months ago. As I was expecting for this to happen, I took some extra precautions in case they didn´t pay me the pending wages. As some of you may know, I live in Spain, where many companies are behaving the same way leaving thousands of people in a very difficult situation. As I didn´t see any intention from my ex-employer to give me the pending wages I began a series of actions in order to push this asshole and recover my money. It is not a huge amount of money, around 1500$, but this kind of people are the ones who have led Spain to this dramatic economic situation, and they all do need to learn a lesson.

    Most of my actions had been based on very basic social engineering strategies, "almost" no hacking has been involved (and the little "hacking" fingerprints undertaken have been well covered).

    What I have done so far:

    - Gained full access and unpublished the two main corporate FB pages.
    - Gained control on the corporate domains. I could´nt get the hosting as this is well secured by a third company that I don´t want to mess with (they do not owe me anything and they are not bad guys).

    As I realized on certain attempts on hacking my FB, emails, and recovering the domain rights (they attempted to do so via third guys that I located and quickly dismissed their actions) I had to go further and took control on one of the two personal FB accounts from my ex-boss.
    This has been quite a secondary leisure thing while I have been busy building my company during summertime. But I think I´m now getting into a vital crossroad. They have replaced one of the corporate FB pages (well, they are so damn stupid that they have created profiles instead of pages), and on this weekend I realized that they even posted a notice focused on my attention with some offensive words.

    I could also get access to the personal FB account he used in order to create this new FB corporate "profile", but I don´t know if this would be pulling the cord too much. I don´t really think there are any legal actions that they could use against me, otherwise I would´nt have done so, but I would love to hear your opinion and maybe experiences in similar matters.

    Thanks a lot in advance for any guidance and support.
     
  2. brkseven

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    It sounds like you are not going to get your money though, is damaging him/them your primary goal or recovering your wages?
     
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  3. kvmcable

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    Consult a local Attorney or your missing $1500 might cost you $150,000. I don't know about your Country but in mine, what you've done could easily be criminal. Online property is protected the same as real property in many places and breaking into that property where you're not welcome is illegal. Consider also that there are logs on those sites that will clearly show your identity if Authorities ask for them.
     
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  4. FLYqtFLY

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    Recovering my wages and doing what I think is the right thing to do, teaching one of the thousand of motherfuckers who are ruining my country a lesson.
    So far, I haven´t damaged anything nor anyone. I don´t want to dig into his personal accounts, neither damaging all the hard work I did for the company.

    Well, as I said, this is Spain. Before the trial began it could take months, and he would have to spend a lot of money also during that time.
    All logs have been well covered, believe me. Moreover, half of the money he owes was based on a verbal agreement, which many people could prove. So, according to that verbal agreement I was supposed to continue working undercovered (I think he would also have some problems explaining that, as he closed the company and thus refused to continue paying taxes). Taking this into consideration, I could easily say that I´m still working for the guy.
    Do you really think that FB is going to listen to this asshole who doesn´t even know the difference between a profile(page). I mean, this is not Coca-Cola, you know what I mean?
     
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  5. varitech

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    I understand completely how you feel and I know you also feel justice inside you with the actions you took but it will not work to court (assuming your boss finds out and takes you there). Claiming he owes you money is also completely irrelevant with the action you took and a seperate case when it comes to law.

    However I wish you best of luck =)
     
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    What you think is the right thing to do sometimes isn't the right thing to do ...
     
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    You are fucked .. no offence

    There is no way in hell that is legal
    regards,
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  8. Vrill

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    They can take legal actions once they can proof it was you.Since its a company page its under commercial law which can be expensiv.

    So why dont you teach your royal family a lesson who are one of the leaders causing that mess?
     
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  9. FLYqtFLY

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    Ok, I think we are getting to some point here.

    In case I received a lawsuit, I could give full rights back in a matter of seconds. He would have to pay the cost of a useless trial as he would have no proof.

    I think we are missing something important in here. I´m not talking about Coca-Cola.
    Do you think FB would give a damn when it comes to a couple of fan pages with less that 10000 fans both?
    Do you think our busy courts would care about someone who have been taken a personal FB profile?

    In order to do what is right you sometimes need to take risks. Changes don´t come without taking risks. I´m doing what I think is the right and moral thing to do.


    Completely out of the subject bro. I really hate when people mess topics with personal concerns. I´m republican and I hate bullfights (just in case someone wants to mess some more) and many many other spanish stereotypes. The Royal Family caused this mess? Go and research a little, you have no idea what you are talking about, and considering the complete lack of knowledge you showed I´m sorry but I´m not going to get into an absurd explanation.
     
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  10. JPRocks

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    I am not too aware of what Law Spain operates under. With this said though the offence (if any) has been committed on Facebook property which I imagine will mean that the offence took place in USA. This is legal definition as no matter what the offence did take place on USofA servers and not spanish servers. With this in mind you could stand your entire case on the grounds of "Common Law" to which there are only a few countries in the world operate under. The USofA, Canada, Australia and the UK are some. The basis of Common Law is that as you have mentioned have harmed no one by any physical means. In fact you could counter claim and lodge that you have been hurt by the withholding of your wages which in turn led to severe discomfort. I cannot in this message go into great detail regarding Common Law but the general synopsis is that if you were to ever enter a court room regarding this matter, dont what ever you do stand in the dock, remain on the floor and inform the judge that you are a free man and you are exercising your right to be tried under "Common Law" and if you were to step into the dock you would be tried under "Maritime Law" (Hence the dock is called just that the DOCK.). Once you have established this right the very fact that you have harmed no-one by your actions will ensue you will walk free from Court. Hope this helps but if needs be PM me to get more information... buena suerte a mi amigo, oh sí, yo viví en Madrid hace muchas lunas ...
     
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    In the United States your actions are illegal. Recommend you rethink your next steps before you end up in a jail cell with a 350 pound sex offender who thinks your mouth is "purty".

    I'm not shitting you!
     
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  12. Vrill

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    and its the EU and not US so the seize of a company doesnt matter
    There could be a single person and they could sue you.It doesnt matter how many fans there are but the value claimed by your bosses.If they claim they lost massiv creditibility it will be expensiv
    Yes as its not important how big the case is as long as the value is over 300 Euro i guess.

    @JPRocks

    that wont work in spain as there doesnt exist common law and i also highly doubt he even knows what a freeman is reading his answer about their royal family

    Doesnt work in EU.In Europe law says that you need also be compliant with the local law of your staying.Means if he lives in spain he needs to be compliant with laws in spain no matter if servers are outside of spain and under another jurisdiction
     
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  13. noseo

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    This is damage to yourself too. You're wasting time and creative energy in ways that won't ever bring back your money. Those resources could be at work for you instead.
     
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  14. JPRocks

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    Hmmm it appears though that "Common Law" will not protect you as Vrill mentioned. Sorry about that. Though strictly speaking they can only determine that the offending actions came from your IP. They cannot prove conclusively that it was you. With this said as you said is anybody going to really bother? Also why not just tell the FB Police that your aforementioned idiot of a boss has created person profile instead of a page. I have done this many times then phoned the company up to see if they need a FB page...sure works for me... :)
     
  15. FLYqtFLY

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    If there is this much controversy on this topic I know I´m going in the right direction.

    Regarding all that lawyers / courts issues:
    - Spain: Average waiting time for most trials is above two years.
    - I could easily prove how they have been injecting / wasting money from european grants which where aimed at a different company. I think that would be quite more interesting for a jury, and scary for my boss. That is serious shit and I don´t want to get into details.

    Also, and I don´t want to offend anyone, I think most people have watched too many movies. None of the previous comments remarked any real story. I´m seeking advice on possible workarounds, or personal stories related to this matter.

    I´m not going one step back, if all the people were the same scared about this whole corrupted system we would long ago have turned into puppets. The whole system is full of blackholes, and specially concerning technology matter. For example, do you guys know for how long FB did´nt have to pay taxes to the EU because of this law holes?

    We are here talking about someone who doesn´t know the difference yet between a FB page and a profile. Someone who has been embezzling funds from the EU. Would the system care about me, the guy who has hijacked some unknown profiles / pages, or about the big guy who is misappropiating EU funds?

    Seriously, why there always have to be someone willing to illuminate everyone with his/her vast knowledge around every topic. I don´t give a damn about the fucking Royal Family. Time will come for them. But as you are getting so much into the topic why don´t you impress everyone with your amazing research on royal matters and explain to us how did the Royal House cause the spanish crisis. I know for sure that there are a few spanish forum colleagues eager to read such a non sense.
     
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  16. Nigel Farage

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    I fully support the OP.

    Some people only respect brute force. I suggest you move forward, and republished the hijacked page "outing" laying out the circumstances of the situation and "outing" those involved. Obviously they do not respect you, nor do they appreciate the power that you have. It's time to escalate. Also, your price should increase, to let them know you mean business.
     
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    You know the diffrence between you and me is i'm talking about facts and not moral.If your boss is going to sue you ,you will be pissed.No matter what knowledge you got and no matter how many grants he wasted.
    You are writing about company structures which are not paying any taxes where you have zero clue else you would realease that all they do is under law using diffrent ways like foundations like ikea or having companies registered at some special places or even some other way.The diffrence is they didnt broke any law but you broke the law and are sorry if i say it to naiv to understand that not important how right you are or morality behind you actions stays the court gives a shit about it.Court is executing the law and nothing more and you broke the law.Its not important what i think or what anybody else think but what the law in your country is saying and if your boss is going to sue you.
    The rest is pure nonsense as court gives shit about it.
     
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    Did you used proxies, VPN etc?

    If so, just forget about it, and invest your time in value, not revenge. That doesn't get you anywhere, and this is the most important.
     
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    Why do you announce your illegal activity? lol. At least make sure the property is covertly taken and take the value of it and resell that value. Boldly taking his online property is a good way to get put in jail, lose money, and become the village idiot
     
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    Honestly I think your an idiot and just not for doing it but for talking about it on a public forum. You will be lucky if he doesn't press charges against you.