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Leeches The beauty of the way the internet works!!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by r-webb-k, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. r-webb-k

    r-webb-k BANNED BANNED

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    Found This Nice Article Enjoy:D

    Leeches. The beauty of the way the internet works.

    Most people who initially read the title of this post will immediatley think "Parasite Hosting". If you are unaware of what parasite hosting is, it is the act of taking a high ranking site such as reddit or digg or youtube, creating content on the site linking to an affiliate for a product that has to deal with the content, and then spamming links to the page so it will rank high. The total cost of this is $0 because you are using someone elses website and if even 1 sale is made from that page within the next year and you make $15 per sale, you have made $15 profit on that page for the year (although most pages will not last anywhere close to a year in the google index, unless they're well done). Multiply this scheme by about 10,000 and you will quickly see that it is quite easy to make bunch of money online with $0 down. The only thing you would be wasting if no money was made is time. (This is a very simple explanation of parasite hosting, in reality it's difficult to pull off with success and requires constant SERP monitoring and scheme changes until success is reached)

    I am not going to discuss parasite hosting, instead I am going to dicuss something that is similiar, but different in ways. The reason that this post is titled, "The beauty of the way the internet works" is because that's exactly what this post is about. After a few years of doing SEO you will begin to see something that I cannot explain. I don't have a word for it, if I did it would probably be "the way". You will realize that the path a visitor takes on the internet are like a tree.

    Imagine that the internet is a tree. When someone goes online to search for something they start out at 1 of three large branches (MSN, Yahoo, or Google). Now after they search they find a site they need and click on the link which in our analogy would be a smaller branch off that main branch. Now suppose this is a forum they are on and they click a thread to describe their topic specifically, this is an even smaller branch off of that branch. So this analogy of how the path a visitor takes is like a tree should make sense now.
    So what is my point? Well my point is that if you can find a way to build your branch off the larger branches that are already built, you will succeed. The problem here is that as the branches get bigger, they become more difficult to spawn off of. For example, it is much easier to spawn a branch off of digg and get traffic from their branch than it is to spawn a branch off of google and rank as number 1 for a popular google term. Why? Because google is thick and sturdy, and everybody wants to spawn a branch off of them.

    So what e_D, are you telling me I should plant fucking trees if I want traffic? No, what I'm saying is find a balance in the strength of the branch you're spawning off of. It must be strong enough and big enough to recieve many visitors, but it must not be too strong to where spawning off of it is impossible. What I am talking about here is not being dependent on the three major search engines for traffic, and bypassing them entirely. It is much easier for me to game a small site that has spent so much effort and VC money in getting traffic than it is to game someone like google. And the best part of this setup is that if google died tomorrow, you would still make money. You would not make as much money, but you would be doing much better off than most blackhats would be. Most of them rely on google for traffic, yet these same guys usually preach "don't put all your eggs in one basket". Anyways, here's an example...

    Let's assume for a moment that I have decided I want to sell propecia. So I could go the typical newb blackhat route and say, "Well lets get a list of keywords, generate some content, spam some backlinks, and hope for good rankings". Or I could take the slightly more sophisticated route and say, "Let's setup user accounts on reddit, facebook, twitter, and myspace with keyword rich content, spam a few thousand backlinks to those pages, and rank high up for keywords". Both of these methods work great, and you should implement both of them. But you still will have competition, other sites that have spent years building up credibility in these areas with a large user base. This is the part I am talking about now. So what I would do after setting up the two types of scenarios above is go over to google and run a search for "bald guy forum". Aha! The first thing that comes up is the website "http://www.slybaldguys.com/". It seems that visiting the forum they have a somewhat dedicated user base. Some of the forums have thousands of posts. This looks like it would be a great place to find some customers who would be dedicated and probably spread the word about your site. So do I go in with thousands of accounts and spam them to death? Sure I could. But look around at the policy they have on linking and signatures and such. If they seem to be pretty anal about spam build of some credit before you attempt to promote your stuff. If not (in this case the sly bald guys doesn't seem to mind links in signatures), then setup a signature with a link to a nice pretty site. There are targeted visitors people, sure you can hope and prey for rankings in google but if you can just spawn a branch off of this site. Let's look at a better more realistic setup...

    The thing I'm discussing here seems to work best in very niche p2p style communities. What's the difference in a normal community and a p2p style community? A normal community is a place where everyone gathers in one spot. Like a forum. A p2p style community is where everyone is in one spot, but theres no real connection between all users (everyone does not know everyone). An example of this would by myspace. This is why myspace was so hot to spam. Imagine if myspace had one forum where EVERYBODY could post and sticky threads were allowed by administrators. You would have seen much less spamming because immediatley when spam was posted a reply or a sticky thread would have appeared saying "This is spam". All of the legit users would have attacked it. The difference is that the legit users hardly ever see the spam profiles on myspace, so they have to rely on spam hunters and technologies to hunt down spammers, not their user base. This is the same reason digg is not the center of a massive spam attack (yes, they do have spam, but it's not as bad as the spam on myspace, I think we can agree on that). And the reason is that digg is a normal community, everyone sees the front page, everyone can post a comment in the same spot. It's not setup like a p2p social community where 1 on 1 interaction is the main asset. So sites that are more p2p styled would be sites like:

    * The recent trend of sports style sites (like shredordie)
    * Dating sites for specific niches (singlemuslim)
    * Gallery type sites (flickr)

    A great real world example would be to take one sites affiliate program (muslima.c0m), and promote it using the other sites actual program (singlemuslim.c0m) by basically scraping the data from the affiliate program and creating fake profiles on the remote site. You can even do the opposite as well and make money on both affiliate programs by forcing the sites to battle each other in the serps. The main point in all of this is that often times you might spend hours and gigs spamming links and building sites and waste huge money trying to take down the competition, when all the while you could have been using the competitions site directly and started getting traffic immediatley (that is another huge plus with this type of thing, no waiting for rankings to happen). Those sites have done all your work for you, so why re-invent the wheel?

    If your niche seems to contain no sites that harbor this kind of activity, change niches.
     
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  2. Damien15

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    Could you post a link to the blog or site you read this on? :)
     
  3. l30p0ld0

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    I guess this should be it :)

    Code:
    http://whitepower.net/08012008.html
     
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  4. Damien15

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    LoL! I don't want to believe my eyes, is there really only text and links on this site? :D
    This looks worse than back in the 90ies ;)
    And it has a nice domain too, lol
    Anyways, thanks for the find :)
     
  5. glew

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    I found this myself this afternoon while searching for some parasite hosting info.....what a coincidence!
     
  6. bigmoneyX

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    alot of decent info on that site, just hard to find :-/
     
  7. cafedelmar84

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    really like his text on cell phone marketing/sms sending. i wonder if the same method would apply to canadian market e.g. number@provider.com? has anyone tried anything like this before?
     
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    Yeah, e_d knows his stuff. Sometimes I read his posts and realize I`m such a noob.
     
  9. litenup

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    Thanks for this post.
    I've followed the recommended links on his site and am getting quite an education
     
  10. bargain

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    I have a feeling this article can be summed up in like 3 dot points. Anyone want to do it for me?