Leaving India, where to go?......My Experience Around The First World (PART 3)

Hi everyone at BHW,

In the past I made 2 threads on this topic. They were about my desire to leave India (I lived in Calcutta, India) and a follow up after I landed in Italy (Milano) [where I shared my $500/day YouTube method].

Just to recap, I wanted to leave India for reasons like poor infrastructure, atrocious pollution, brutal climate, better daily living conditions etc. Just the normal reasons migrants have. Before I left Calcutta, I have never even lived in Mumbai, Bangalore or New Delhi, forget any foreign country. I have now lived in Italy for more than 2 years. I have extensively traveled to Germany, UK and Ireland. I have also visited (quite extensively) USA, Canada and Australia. Basically I have been to and investigated all the places migrants (from the third world) want to move. Now I am better grounded in reality. I will have to decision very soon about where finally "settle down". I will like to share my experiences in this thread. It will help Indians (and other Asians) who want to migrate.

Regarding Italy - No one can beat Italy when it comes to people and daily living. When it comes to "Good Life", Milano can give London or NYC a run for their money. Italians are very warm hearted, unlike their Swiss neighbours. However, unfortunately, the cons have started to outweigh the pros.

Economy - There's no hope remaining. It's over, no matter what Italian Government tries to tell. Now, Italians will cite a host of reasons like - 1 ) Banking Crisis which happened due to USA, 2) manipulating China, 3) China and India's cheap labour (which produces poor quality products), 4) Outsourcing to India, and 5) Greedy corporations which prefers to employ foreigners for cheap instead of employing Italians and Europeans.

The real reasons are different - 1) Banking is atrocious. It's pathetic. Nobody in his/her right mind will want to deal with Italian banks. India's banking system is 1000x better. (!!) How can a country have good economy with terrible banking system? 2) Ridiculous labour laws. It's not the hay days of socialism anymore. 3) Too low productivity. Italians take a 1 hour lunch break. Most people leave their offices sharp at 5 or 6. Basically, a combination of poor laws and very low productivity is decimating Italy.

I can't see a long term future in Italy.

Next Stop, Germany - With my long term Schengen Visa, I headed off to Germany. Now definitely the economy is doing much, much better than Italy, but still I found serious problems. 1) Oh God, the banking again. 2) TAXES - You GOT to be joking right? It can't be real. 3) Salary (and opportunities) are stagnating 4) Germany is a friggin' DEMOGRAPHIC TIME BOMB. Why are they not concerned about it?? Any other country would have lost its sleep. 5) Interior Germany is proudly racist (sorry Euros, had to say this word). It was totally unlike Italy. If you visit interior Germany, you will understand the history of WW2 better..cough..So basically, with a combination of extremely high taxes and current social problems (demographic problem, influx of refugees, racism in interior locations) Germany seemed problematic as a long term solution. Time to make an exit.

Next Stop, UK and Ireland - I needed a Visitor Visa. And UK Embassy proved to be a pain in the a*s. Anyway, I made numerous visits to London, Manchester, Glasgow and Dublin (along with Brighton, huh). Now Ireland is nothing worth writing about in terms of economy and future. Nothing is going on. Gorgeous country though. And here comes the main part - UK. London is a mind blowing city which offers the best prospects and long term future in Europe. It's a fabulous city if you have the money to enjoy it, otherwise it's just misery. The main damper though is, property prices. I don't want to pay rent for my entire life. And how the fck is someone supposed to buy a property in London. It's just unaffordable. The city is shockingly expensive. Expensive Milano looks cheap compared to London. Unless you have inheritance or you are a banker, you are not going to own a property worth living in English cities like London. The point alone put me off from UK. (I don't know why this point don't puts off other migrants).

I was growing concerned by this time. Future in Europe is looking bleak...

Next Stop, USA - Got a Visa and headed off to USA, at the pretext of meeting Universities. Now definitely, USA is a country worth immigrating to, IF AND ONLY IF, the conditions are right. Real estate prices are reasonable (cheaper than India !!!) and there are many opportunities. BUT the American immigration is completely broken. It takes more than a decade to get a Green Card (IF everything goes according to plan!). I met many Indian students in USA (I was visiting Universities, remember?), and it was a sad affair. Hundreds of thousand of Indian students, coming from Indian middle class backgrounds, have taken $80K-$100K loans and have gone to USA. Their parents have mortgaged their homes and sent them. All these for an uncertain future. Many Indian students have to return home for failing to get work sponsorship, and they are then stuck with $80K+ loans and expenses. It's ridiculous. Many Indians are working for "Consultancies" in a desperate bid to remain in USA. And these consultancies are nothing but a scam to break American immigration laws.

Out of curiosity, hopped over to Canada - The entire Canadian immigration story is a scam! Canada probably has the most highly qualified janitors right now. Loads of highly qualified to Indians and assorted Third Worlders are frying potatoes in McDs and moping floors. Canadians are totally pissed off with their Government for allowing millions into their country (legally with PR) and discrimination is rife.

Back to Italy and made a trip to India - Never visited Mumbai before, and so I decided to take a look. I was blown away. Mumbai is amazing . Skyscrapers (including residential ones) are mushrooming everywhere. The energy of the place is amazing and has a kicking nightlife. Yes, prices of apartments are a shocker but it is still significantly cheaper than the west (except USA). It's becoming one hell of a city. Bangalore is great too but the traffic problem is getting too bad...

Went to Australia - I qualify for Australian PR and so I decided to take a look. Well, the situation is not as bad as Canada but still, it's nothing great. Not worth permanently moving unless you are a Mining Engineer. Real estate prices in Sydney and Melbourne is unaffordable. Loads of Indians and other immigrants are driving taxis and doing all sort of unskilled jobs. They don't have a life.

Currently I am seeing if it is even possible to move to USA (without getting stuck in a dead end). If not, I will be relocating to Mumbai.

I regularly get PMs regarding immigration. I hope this will help you guys.

I will give a final update in future - whether it's USA or India.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVE

Clearly you have not experienced Germany, what Bundesland did you actually visit in Germany?

Just want to know the place with good internet , no dmca and weak copyright law with low cost of living.

Am in Thailand and everything is fine but the copy right law is too strong here.

Also, porn is not allow(main reason I hate).

Clearly you have not experienced Germany, what Bundesland did you actually visit in Germany?

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I only had a couple of trips through Germany in the last couple of years but what I saw and experienced it was already enough for me. Wouldn't move there even if they give me free house.

I've traveled a lot in my life, and I still am to this day but I am starting to realize that there's no place like home. Keep us updated

SkyrocketSEO said:

I only had a couple of trips through Germany in the last couple of years but what I saw and experienced it was already enough for me. Wouldn't move there even if they give me free house.

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I must say I'm also not German myself but i have never experienced hate and/or discomfort here. I find people very friendly and enjoy living here since a few years.

im just curious mate... how many months did you stay in each country? also, do you stay with other travelers, like people from couchsurfing? otherwise how are you able to meetup with different people in each country?

one more thing, it seems you are much more interested in western countries. i wonder why you've never have any thought to visit south america, southeast asia, east asia, and UAE

It does Not look like a travel log of an Internet Marketer(unless you do it part time). If you are full time into IM, most of the financial issues you mentioned don't even matter. For example, why the F*ck it would matter to an Internet Entrepreneur, like You, if MBAs from India are working as janitors in Canada?

Seems like even if there is heaven on earth, you will still find some negatives to say about it. Just marry a good person and settle down in India. Begin a good business and travel the world, only to come back home again and again.

You forgot about cheap nice places like Thailand.

Your statement about Canada is completely FALSE which makes me wonder if all other statements you make about other countries are TRUE.

Try Goa (Panaji or nearby city area; Dona Paula also good if you have money to buy prime property). You will love it.

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javamann said:

Your statement about Canada is completely FALSE which makes me wonder if all other statements you make about other countries are TRUE.

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No, it's not false. I didn't say that Canada is not developed. I agree it's a very developed country. But what I said about the current immigration system in Canada is TRUE. In fact, if you wish, you can do some extensive research on Google and read the stories of numerous immigrants yourself, though it's hard to believe unless you have seen it yourself. If you are Canadian, it might be hard for you to put yourself in the shoes of first gen immigrants and the problems they are facing because of your Government's policies, but that doesn't change the reality.

Take for example, one policy of the Canadian Government. They invite highly qualified migrants on the basis of their educational qualifications. And once inside Canada, their professional qualifications becomes invalid unless they go back to school! The policy is either moronic or just scammy. Migrants are spending tens of thousand of $$$ to move to Canada and then landing in trouble...

Of course, there are quite a few success stories. But that doesn't change the general trend...

Well!
You will never enjoy anything unless you see anything positive in it!
No, place is perfect!
even if there is any perfect place; that perfection is not permanent!
just settle down somewhere and live life happily
merry Christmas!

How did you like brighton?

I don't think most migrants who go to london plan on owning a property. More likely they cram as many in to a rental on the outskirts and make enough money to send home.

deancow said:

How did you like brighton?

I don't think most migrants who go to london plan on owning a property. More likely they cram as many in to a rental on the outskirts and make enough money to send home.

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Aren't they all packed in Isle of dogs?

I was in London and I found good people who liked to smile at a stranger .... Me. I was in NY (worked at NYC and lived in Jackson heights), found great people who liked to chat with a stanger... , I even lived in Chicago and walked the lonely street in Bensonville in -19 bonechilling degrees, and still found a few people who were surprised to see someone walk, yet they had a smile for a stranger.... I worked at Conoco in Lake Charles, LA, and in that remote place, made a few friends. I lived in Riyadh, and I made many Pakistanis and Philipinos my best friends. They were strangers... Men and women, but they said good things and smiled often at that stranger... It's not the land that has a negative atmosphere, it's one's mental approach towards it that attracts the negatives out of normal daily life things...

I had chosen to be in those places, so I told myself to be presentable to those places, and expected pleasantness in return... It reciprocated with more than double interest!

Just want to say OP ,

East or West India is the best , rest is your decision.

Mate Canadians are not that bad! People are actually nice here once you get to know them!

It's not a good idea to tell people that real estate is cheaper in the US than in India. The only cheap places to live in the US are in the ghetto. If you survive the ghetto without getting robbed or shot, you'll end up with a nervous condition. We stay away from the ghettos. They are too dangerous.