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Learn From my Mistakes: Judging People on BHW

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Noah Hawryshko, Aug 16, 2016.

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  1. Noah Hawryshko

    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    There's something that I realized a couple days ago that I feel like I should point out for others when interacting with people on BHW. It's something so plain and so simple yet so easy to gloss over if you're a native English speaker: You can't judge somebody's intelligence by their grammar, vocabulary, or English communication in general.

    Just a little while ago I realized that really didn't listen to people who couldn't communicate in English very well. Uncalled for? Yes. Closed-minded? Absolutely. Looking back at questions I've asked, there have been times when I've glossed over very good advice given to me simply because the answer was written in somewhat broken English. I had this idea in my head that those who were good at English communication were the one's who "knew what they were talking about" because I assumed that those who couldn't learn language proficiently probably weren't good at other things.

    But then it hit me, I've been speaking English since birth. Up until now, I'd been blind to the idea that there are people who are both way smarter and WAY more knowledgeable than me who are not native English speakers. I'd constantly disregard any post in broken English because I assumed from the get-go that it probably wasn't credible in any way. However, that can't be farther from the truth.

    Communicating in a particular language is a skill that needs to be worked on and trained, much like playing a musical instrument or learning a programming language. Some of us were lucky enough to have been practicing English since birth, while some of us have only been speaking it for a small fraction of our lives.

    My flawed ideology that "bad English constitutes likely incredibility" just doesn't make sense. People who are non-native English speakers can program, design, give just as good advice, and be all around just as intelligent and contributive to the forum as native English speakers can.

    Proficiency in language shouldn't be a pre-requisite to getting taken seriously. I hope others can learn from my mistakes and empathize with people who don't speak English as well as most. Thanks for listening!
     
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    Not only in BHW but also in the real life. Remember that Jack Ma can't speak English fluently and yet, he's worthed 25Billion $
     
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    U iz wong iz nows noffin
     
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    lol this is funny because I type like shit everyday.

    Its faster. :)
     
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    But if you're a native speaker and u type lyk dis ... >"<
     
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    And you know what? People who talk the least are the ones who really know what they're doing on here. They have no time to be on forums, they're busy banking. Always respect low post counts :D
     
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    esmeralda Newbie

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    Thanks for the kind words!

    My main language is Spanish, and when I ask a question in the Ogads chat, one of the people send me to learn english :(. I know my english isn't the best but I really feel bad.
     
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    Don't be discouraged. I always believe people from other countries are way better at languages. At least English isn't the only thing they speak :)
     
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    sir, u eglish nahlage very awsome. you grandson of shakesphere?
     
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    BHW prides itself in being a diverse forum and we welcome people from all parts of the world.
    It is important that ALL of our members feel comfortable and free from discrimination and/or
    ridicule of any kind.
     
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  11. Noah Hawryshko

    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    That thought came through my mind, but unless you know for sure that someone is a native English speaker, it's not right to assume they are and proceed to criticize them. That's all I'm saying.

    @WizGizmo Absolutely. To clarify, I'm not trying to ignore other types of discrimination. I'm giving my account of a particular type of discrimination, so as to bring awareness to that specifically as well as others in general.
     
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    Just like to throw in here the reminder that contrary to what some would have us believe... We're more alike than we are different. All of us, no matter what corner we originate from.

    Good on you OP for being BIG enough to take this kind of look at yourself, and address which you realized needed to be addressed.
     
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    Non-native speakers also try hard to type normally, the best they can, albeit with some flaws. But yes I do agree that unless you know for sure, it's not nice to criticize them.
     
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    "Bad english" is still better than "only english". Remember, we know our language perfectly, english is just extra.
     
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    I was regular member at one warez forum and while discussion some one trolled me for my English from that day i left that forum and never participated in any forum. It was like 6 to 7 years ago. But BHW is nice forum people here are helpful and don't care about your grammar as long your post makes sense.
     
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    I've been discriminated against several times over the last few months just because of my sex fetishes and no one has done anything to help.
     
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    Just ask yourself how you would do on a spanish forum ;)
     
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    Back in 2014, I told a member here not to accept help from spelling and grammar pedants for the reasons you mentioned in your post.
    Eloquence doesn't equate to wisdom around here. On a related note, judging members based solely on post count or usergroup colour is just as asinine.
     
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    Can I just note I agree with OP. If English isn't your first language then you deserve a little slack.

    However, this does not excuse @proxygo who does speak English as his first language and apparently doesn't have a spell checker on his browser.
     
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    My self can't speak English fluently. Education and language are not enough to judge a person. Talent makes all...