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Lazy & Hit by Penguin - How Many Web 2.0s Will I Need?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by elmoisred, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. elmoisred

    elmoisred Junior Member

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    Hey guys, I've got a few sites and in honesty was very lazy... here's the background.......
    did a lot of scrapebox comments linking directly to my sites.

    I had been building a few thousand links to each site every week and they were all doing well. I STOPPED ALL link building on all my sites in January except for two - a brand new site and another one that hit page 1 for a very competitive phrase (got upto number 4 the week before penguin hit).

    The ones I had spammed to hell and simply stopped building links for for months - BUT they're all doing really well! They're top for most phrases and have a good authority.

    The two I was focusing on with loads of links since Penguin - they sneaks onto google and then vanish! They don't deindex, just have really pants positions and not in the top 100 for anything despite the new site being a very local niche.

    I have revamped the structure of both sites, got rid of all the duplicated meta tags and lazy bits, added blogs into them for new and fresh content, and generally made the sites much better.

    Personally despite what's happened I don't think it's the links that have done the damage on their own, I think it's been a combination of things. Anyhow I figure I have to stop being lazy and do things properly now, so step one is that I'm building web 2.0s pointing directly to the new site as a trial, and then will scrapebox the web 2.0s and getting social bookmarks.

    How many will I need?

    I'm guessing that's going to be a "how long is a piece of string" question, but I was thinking of making 75 web 2.0s each month, updating all of them (somehow) each week/month with more content and the odd link or two. Then blasting the 75 (and growing) sites on scrapebox, maybe some xrumer, twitter and facebook shares etc...

    Would 75 well managed and updated web 2.0s frequently blasted be better than 750 ones that aren't doing much and just get the odd blast?

    Thanks guys!
     
  2. JERnie19

    JERnie19 Regular Member

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    If your really that lazy, just buy a gig at Fiverr. There are those who will make for you 20 - 75 Web 2.0 properties with Tier 2 backlinks to them (blog comments/social bookmarks).

    Two sellers I would personally recommend for this are dotgirish and crorkservice.
     
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    Thanks for the fiverr gigs!
     
  4. elmoisred

    elmoisred Junior Member

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    Ha ha ha you read me mind ;)
    I've gone ahead with a fiverr gig, 75 blogs with social bookmarks - but will definitely give dotgirish and crorkservice a go on the next run,
    Would say 350 web 2.0s be enough? I'm thinking of adding too them and backlinking loads to them? Or is it best just to do a fiverr gig each week and then do the odd blast?

    Cheers JERnie19
     
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    Depends on the competition. I think 350 Web 2.0s is more than enough. Just don't get 350 web 2.0s in one go. It may look unnatural if 350 web 2.0s suddenly popped up linking to your site. But who knows? No one really fully understands Google so just go what you think is right. =)
     
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  6. ok888

    ok888 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Forget about fiverr for now just get some tierss in the BST here

    Quality Over Quantity
     
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  7. elmoisred

    elmoisred Junior Member

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    Thanks, what's the BST stand for sorry?
     
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    NeoPat Power Member

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    i would recommend the BST lad there definitely is a good few services on there which would do your website some good as long as you know what you want
     
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    BST means Buy/Sell/Trade! Just click on "Services for Sale" on the left side :)

    Try AndreyK and Leith. They are doing quite good right now!
     
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    I've also had the same experience. I have sites that I used to do nothing but Scrapebox and Xrumer links on for testing purposes. The sites that I used huge spun URL/keyword files are KILLING it. The files would have every URL of the domain, with atleast 4-7 keywords variations and unoptimized anchor text.

    What was great is the diversity in the backlink profiles, from the quality of the sites, the keywords used, the links that stuck, etc. It helped create an amazing backlink profile that would "appear natural" under any algo checks.

    Again, these sites are dominating the SERPs post-Penguin.

    Having said that, there's a lot of services out there that will help you post-Penguin as well. Remember to look for services that allow unoptimized anchor text links + diversity. Services that allow 1 keyword are practically worthless unless you blend them in with other services as well.
     
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    Saw somebody mention blasting your Web 2.0s with Scrapebox. Is this practice still safe post-Penguin?
     
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    Am I assuming right that "killing it" in this context means working great ? (sorry I'm no native speaker^^)
     
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    Yes, "killing it" is a good thing.
     
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    High pr do follow links will do much more for your web2.0 than anything else... Get a couple quality web2.0 10-20 with unique content say 5 articles each and blast them with high or do follow links better than 350 shit web2.0 that will get deleted
     
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  15. elmoisred

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    Hi Jetsetter883, I don't think anyone knows what's "safe" at the moment.
    All I know - I've had good success with scrapebox to my money sites pre-penguin and since penguin the majority of those sites are still doing well.
    BUT - after doing some scrapeboxing to one of my struggling sites it's done more harm than good.
    I have also been a little bit naughty and decided to test the negative SEO theory. Using my main list I made about 10k links to a competitor - not an immediate one, just one that was at the top for a lot of terms and hasn't been doing much of their own seo.
    Just to see what bad things happened (expecting claps of Google thunder).... but nothing. They're number 1 for the two phrases used.

    I think what did the damage on my site was laziness - I had loads of duplicated meta tags and not that much in the way of content, it's kind of just holding text ready for visitors to come and post content when I'm at the top of my phrases.

    I also think it was the links I built - I was a little lazy there and just listed a load of deep urls and keywords, so what has probably happened is that google has found a link saying "Red Widgets", but gone to a page about "Blue Widgets" and gave the site a slap on the wrist.

    I could be completely wrong - but i've redone all my urls so any links built now go to the 404 at the moment, I think Google are teasing about negative SEO, I'm thinking it's all a ploy to get us running scared without digging deep into testing for the truth.

    Although I could be completely wrong ;)
     
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    Woo! Bit of success!
    The domain match has gone up from #65 to #20 since yesterday. It's not a widely searched phrase but a good sign that Google is starting to trust the site again... somethings working, lets keep going!
    Who said SEO isn't fun ;)
     
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    I take it back... vanished out of the top 100 again...... will keep an eye on it, hopefully it'll be back in a week :(
     
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    Yea, same thing happened to me today.
     
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    Ordering from fiverr will actually do more harm to your site. Everything on there is automated, web2.0s are created lookin like complete spam. You say you lost your rankings cuz you were lazy, then you go purchase $5 spam gigs? Seems to me like your in the wrong business.
     
  20. elmoisred

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    Lol, that's why i'm not in the seo business, it's more like a sideline hobby in and amongst family life
    Yea, I didn't really get what I was after from the fiverr gig, so am back to putting some effort in and make a real job of it,
    just in the planning stages, I'm thinking of making 10 web 2.0s of real quality - stuff people actually want, put some adsense and relevant affiliate links on just for some extra cash, but the main purpose will be to boost my main sites,
    Google's been going haywire though, the dancing has been going on for almost 2 days? floating from #18 to infinite... will try again later and see if it's settled!