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Lazy Coder...Should I open a Paypal Dispute?

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  1. provision

    provision Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    So I've been working on a big project, with my main coder who's very good at what he does and who I've been friends with for awhile and who finishes projects on time everytime exactly how I want them. Now what we've been working on is really big so I decided to get the job done faster and to make it easier on my buddy that I hire another guy from freelancer. I explained what I wanted him to do, and its a rather simple job that he told me hes done before and showed me proof and said that it would take 1-2 days max. This seemed good because honestly, the job I gave him should only take that amount of time, however time rolls by and its been 2 weeks and the job is not finished! Ive been paying him for every step of progress he makes, and hes been on the final step of the project for a good 5 days. I know hes not scamming me because he shows me his work, however he made himself come off as knowledgeable and understandable of the project but everytime he works on it he practically asks my main coder what he should do, and then if hes not online, posts on a coding forum every 5 seconds asking for help about my project. So practically i have been understandable for the past 2 weeks, but now im getting alittle frustrated. My question is what should I do? If were being honest, I kinda just want my money back and ill get my main coder to do the project, because looking torwards the future ill need someone to support the project just in case it breaks down, and this guy honestly seems like "if" he ever finishes it, he'll just vanish. So how should I approach this? If I open a paypal dispute, its an electronic good and he'll just win right? What should I do guys, its a good $300
     
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    Open a dispute and then you have more than a week to sort it out with him. If not, escalate to a claim.
     
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    Yeah definitely open a dispute and also add some paragraphs into your post ;)
     
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    Was the software a Paragraph-Maker? Cause I think you need one.
     
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    I'd say give him a 2 day ultimatum. If he doesn't finish within 48 hours, you would like to terminate your agreement, open a dispute, and escalate it to a claim. However, if he has done work, then he should be able to keep a percentage because time is money and he did put effort. Though, it seems like you're paying him to learn how to code.
     
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    So, you hired a guy on Freelancer yet you wanna dispute him on PP ?? Am I missing something?
     
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    we met on freelancer and talk via skype and i told him id rather pay via paypal b/c their are no refunds on freelancer i believe
     
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    And a question I have is since its an electronic good, can't he just say that to paypal and I wont be able to get my money back????
     
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    You know, you're the kind of a client I run away from.
    You deserved what you're going through
     
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    Why did you even look for another coder when you have someone who's reliable on your side? You should of been patient and let the guy you KNOW and TRUST to do it.
     
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    what does that even mean? We both agreed on using paypal. Because I told him ive been scammed in the past and because paypal seems safer to me. He had no problem with that. So whats the problem? Its my fault for being concerned about my money since ive been fooled before?
     
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    The thing is my other guy recommended finding someone else because he has a day job. And is short on time
     
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    u should stay with your old coder, i will search for new supplier when my actual supplier doenst deliver like i want to
     
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    look guys I just want to know if I open a paypal dispute against this guy and we still don't figure it out, if i will even be able to get my money back because its an electronic good?
     
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    Tell him to deliver what he did and what you paid for, and let your main guy finish the rest.
     
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    It means that when you use sites like Elance (I know you used Freelancer, don't know if they have same rules) you don't have to release the money till the freelancer delivers the work to your satisfaction. Also, if the freelancer is late you can cancel the project and have your money back.
    But you wanted to chit chat on Skype cause I guess you don't know to explain what you need using Email and then you wanted him to risk his freelancer profile by letting you pay via PP. And all this for $300. And now you came here to ask us if you should ask Pp to tell him to give you money back
     
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    So this seemed "safer" to you, even know you posted in your OP "If I open a paypal dispute, its an electronic good and he'll just win right?" meaning you're fully aware that PayPal doesn't cover you for electronic/intangible items. Makes sense.......

    The reality is that if you go down the PayPal claim route they will always side with the buyer and refuse the refund if the seller simply informs them that the payment was for a service/non-physical item. If you paid by a CC, you could do a chargeback. Alternatively, speak with the seller and try to find a solution.
     
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    hes the one that wanted to talk via Skype NOT me I just suggested payment via paypal
     
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    We'll yes b/c with paypal i can actually "open a dispute" with freelancer once the money is released its released. Do you get what im saying? With paypal I like at least have a chance. And im aware I dont have to release the payment until the work is done on freelancer. But the majority of coders dont work this way. Most people want a payment up front and then a payment when its finished