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lawyers asked the registry to get my data, now what?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Akieasendo, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. Akieasendo

    Akieasendo Junior Member

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    Hello,
    I've bought a domain at auction and I've rebuild the domain without the previous contents.
    Now the previous owners of the domain asked the registry to give them my data through the lawyers, in order to chose what to do next. The data are fake btw, but the phone number is real. What's going to happen next?
     
  2. EliteSmith

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    Is the domain copyrighted or sthg?
     
  3. Akieasendo

    Akieasendo Junior Member

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    probably...? The name is pretty generic but it seems they are owning that name. The registry told me I have 1 week of time to give them a counter-request
     
  4. EliteSmith

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    Where did you get it from?
     
  5. Akieasendo

    Akieasendo Junior Member

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    Through auction.
     
  6. Gogol

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    If your domain name is trademarked, let it drop. Don't do anything with it. If not, the lawyers can fuck off. The problem is that you provided the wrong info. So, if they tell you to upload verification documents, you might be in trouble. My advice would be that wait and see what happens. How did they contact you? How do you know the lawyers wanted your details?
     
  7. Akieasendo

    Akieasendo Junior Member

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    The registry sent me the notification and a copy of the document to access my data they get from the lawyers, and the registry told me I have 1 week to make a counter-request in order to avoid the data leak. At the moment I do know the name of the lawyers, but they don't know mine

    In the document they don't say the domain is copyrighted though. They are just complaining that my content's site has nothing to do with their's but yet is ranking before their new site they made and this is an image damage for them
     
  8. Gogol

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    Oh shit. Possibly, talk to a lawyer if the domain is important to you. Otherwise, make the site offline and let it drop.
     
  9. Akieasendo

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    Do you think it's too bold offering them the domain for sale? To the lawyers
     
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    definitely talk to a lawyer and see if it is worth fighting for.
     
  11. nakamura

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    Well, check if the domain name is trademarked or if they own the rights of the name. If no, they can fuck off. If yes, you have a few options:

    1) Since the data you provided is fake there won't be much of consequences. It will cost them lots of money to investigate and so on. Its not worth it for them. They might take your website down somehow tho.

    2) Make a new e-mail address with fake infos, contact the previous owners (don't use your real name or anything), just offer them the domain for sale. See what they will reply. If they wanna buy it, go for it. If not, answer them.

    3) If you don't want any trouble or anything like this; Delete the website and move on to a new domain.

    4) Get yourself a lawyer and see whats possible. But when they got a trademark for this name your chances are 0%

    Personally I wouldn't contact with the lawyers. You have nothing to win. I would go for 2), contact the previous owners (they might have an e-mail address in their new website) and offer the domain for sale. If they don't wanna buy it, they can fuck off. Good luck for them to figure out your real infos to contact you.
     
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    It could be a solution. Tell them that you did not know it was trademarked and you invested some money into it. However, if they pay you that money (Ask for $xxx possibly, depending on what that domain previously had), you will happily let it go. Take my advice with a grain of salt nevertheless. Neither am I not a lawyer nor am I a domain broker.

    Edit: @nakamura has a better idea. Use a fake mail for sending them the offer. Don't let them find out who you really are.
     
  13. UrsuAke

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    If I were the lawyers and I wanted to get your info I would agree to buy the domain back at whatever sum you would ask. That way you are 100% obligated to give personal details in order to receive the payment (or throw a buddy under the bus and ask him to receive the payment for you). Any case the lawyers will get your personal info or a lead to carry on with and are not gonna pay up but start some ass whooping of their own.

    As many people said, get legal help to find out what is the best move for you.
     
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    Hmm that makes sense. It's a tricky business for sure. Personally, if I received C & D letter of any kind, I would just lt the domain drop. I don't want to be in trouble as I don't have deep pocket.
     
  15. Akieasendo

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    I have a question guys...
    I was checking the European database of the copyrighted brands and I've seen a thing... He have registered a longer name than the one used in the domain name.
    For example: He registered the brand Coca Cola while the domain is Cola. In this case, am I still weak against copyright takedown? I mean the domain name doesn't reflect the full brand but only a part
     
  16. lancej1022

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    The big thing would be the trademark. If you've rebuilt the site WITHOUT using their old content, then you're not violating copyright, but they may still be able to perform a cease and desist if they trademarked the domain.

    I'd investigate to see if they have an actual trademark first, otherwise they can't do shit.

    It's worth noting that even if they do have a trademark, you don't have to fork over the domain, you simply cannot use the domain for your own purposes. I'd consider selling it to them in BitCoin or something else untraceable if they do have a trademark (or if you just want to make some cash)
     
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    dont answer and see if they file a lawsuit against you
     
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    DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DO THIS

    I've been in the same situation, a very big company didn't like a domain name I was using

    Literally the first thing my lawyer (a very expensive, well-known lawyer specializing in online law for high-risk verticals) told me was, DO NOT ask for money.

    I don't really understand the legals but it has to do with something called "good faith" and "bad faith". Currently you're operating in "good faith". You haven't done anything that you knew was wrong; maybe they do have copyright over the domain name, but you couldn't have been reasonably expected to know that. If you try to get money from them it can be viewed as extortion and then you will be operating in "bad faith" which could have bad consequences for you, like getting the domain seized or getting fined or something.

    Don't ask them for money. TBH if the domain is worth a lawyer, you need one. Otherwise, take it down and let it drop.

    In my case, I wasn't gonna fight it because the company pursuing me was so large and powerful. So I asked them for 3 months to continue operating the site, at which point I would give them the domain w/o a fight. I used the 3 months to 301 my site to another, duplicate site with a different domain name, which allowed me to transfer most of the link juice and direct traffic to a new domain. So I didn't end up losing much traffic/income.
     
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  19. ATuringtest

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    I sniped a very well know ISP's group's name url once lol... so it was the isp+group.com in the name and oh my god ! it had belonged to them.. I was very naive in those days .. raging against the big boys etc .
    I setup the domain website - used the domain name to ask small hosting company's if they wanted low cost advertisement on the site.. fook I'm shivering thinking about this.. within 3 days of sending the first email (and I got shit loads of replies) I had a C&D email with a covering letter from some massive lawyer in Houston (it was really nasty) and a really huge.. though not nasty - email from my host provider.. At the time I was in a small business co-op which you paid in to monthly, got insurance against this that and the other etc. It did give like a set amount of hours with a specialist online lawyer.. if you could produce a document from another company etc that threatened your business. OMG !! my lawyer basically said.. sell everything and run lmfao.. if you don't they will probably take it anyway and will be taking everything you have till you die :) This wasn't a problem as I hadn't registered it in my name and I had fuck all for them to take off me anyway. I did.. (because of the nasty lawyer letter) consider sending one or two emails backwards and forwards to a couple of the domain email accounts making out how they had found out the companies books were being cooked and then accidentally send it to the times newspaper..lol But i did'nt.. I dropped it like a bomb and moved on.. lesson learned.
     
  20. Danielharper

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    My business gets silly trademark threats from bigger competition (that we rank better than) ALL the time. Three in 2019 already.

    9 times out of 10 their just bullying you because they know most small fry will get scared of a lawyers letter and shut down. I mean wouldn't you pay £100 to have a lawyer write a letter and scare your competition into shutting down his domain?! - i mean , i've purchased more expensive backlinks!

    First get one hours legal advice and check you're not infringing - We found this out our position from a top city law firm with just one hour's billing by doing all the homework for them i.e getting the relevant trademark form IPO website etc

    Once we found out the company threatening didn't have a leg to stand on we wrote back. 2 months later and now WE have written to the IPO to have THEIR trademark revoked (long story) and it looks likely we'll win. (I'll update on April 22nd ;-) )

    They had shut down 3 domains before ours but this time picked the wrong small start up to bully! :-D

    Also, is the company in the same country you're in ? If they're not further reason to probably not worry. Unless their case is legit and you are actually demonstrably causing them thousands of pounds of damage , it is just not worth their time, money or resources.

    TLDR : They're probalby bullying you into shutting down your domain. Drag it out and make it cost them some money to see how valuable it really is it them!
     
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