Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by twingg, Mar 16, 2011.
What are your thoughts on this?
Well I obviously dont agree with the viewpoints they held and the brutal shyt they did to innocent people But I do admire them as soldiers. They were the greatest fighting force ever IMO. More advanced than any other military in terms of training, equipment and morale at that time. Imagine what the Waffen SS could of been and done under the right leadership. They deserve respect as fighters, nothing more.
Just some skinheads having a yearly thing, nothing to see here.
During that time all of the Baltic states were getting f***ed in the a** by both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Some of you might be surprised by this fact, but the Nazis were seen as the lesser of two evils. By no means they were seen as the good guys, but the soviets posed a bigger immediate threat to baltic states than the nazis did. The soviets basically wanted to do completely erase cultural identities of countries they occupied, because they only wanted obedient proletarians who don't question authority, to fulfill their ideology. Cultural identities and those who could think independently (bourgeois, intellectuals, teachers, writers etc) were an obstacle, so they had to be eradicated.Soviets exiled A LOT of aforementioned people to Siberia (which meant death for a lot of them because they couldn't survive there) and killed those who resisted.
Soviets did a lot of other unspeakable acts. For example, the genocide in Ukraine (to suppress uprising nationalism) - they induced a famine which resulted in somewhere between 6 to 12 million deaths. They tortured, raped and killed tens of millions of people and tried to take away cultural identities of the rest - this is something that a lot of people forget nowadays. Although it wasn't right to be on the same side as the nazis (which was only a small portion of Baltic people anyway), there weren't any other choices.
Perhaps you understand now why some people want to honor Latvian SS soldiers - they view them as people who fought AGAINST the soviets, not FOR the nazis. However, most of us focus on honoring and remembering partisans (guerrilla fighters) who kept on fighting (independently) the soviets long after the end of WW2. They fought selflessly against all odds, fully aware of imminent death. In the end, most of them were killed by soviet parasites, but it is those men, their courage and sacrifice that kept our flame of unity and hope alive.
That said, I have zero respect for skinheads. Although they honor fallen soldiers, they do it for wrong reasons. Some of them are hateful simpletons, most of them are easily influenced young people and some of them are smart but evil people and those are the people who use the aforementioned people to do their bidding.
Sorry for this wall of text, it's just my two cents worth on this issue. I'm Lithuanian, by the way.
The Baltic States: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania we speak what we want and don't care about these "people" who killed our grandparents.
I was also here when I was 8 years old:
We are free now and only free because what we did.
Many people don't know and don't want to know but Roosevelt sold out our countries.
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