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Laptop build quality is more important now than tech specs?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Capo Dei Capi, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. Capo Dei Capi

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    I've been looking into more rugged laptops since yesterday since my toshiba laptop I bought in Dec finally broke(weak hinges). Right now I'm using an old gateway from 2006, which I was able to install lubuntu on from the default windows vista. It runs pretty fast for the majority of what I'm doing right now, even though its an slow 4200rpm HDD and a t2250 cpu 2 cores 1.73GHz cpu. Infact there doesn't seem to be much of a noticeable drop in speed compared to my i7 4700hq laptop running windows 8.1. It seems software bloat is making the need for more powerful technology for the majority of consumers.

    http://www.freeinfosociety.com/site.php?postnum=782

    It seems that even older rugged laptops such as cf 30 or cf 53, may be better to get than to get a new laptop with better specs, and just put the difference into either a nice home workstation/rent a dedicated server and rdp/vnc/ssh to it do the resource heavy workloads. Many of the new laptops I see, seem to be built to break down easy compared to the older laptops(even non rugged laptops.)

    Out Vents are pointed down on an angle, instead of more straight out.
    Laptop screen hinges have been made smaller while the bottom of the screen goes behind the back of the laptop instead of being on the edge.
    Cases seem to be weaker and can get cracks with barely putting any pressure on it.
     
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  2. neu009

    neu009 Senior Member

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    Hate to say it but Apple in average has a decent build quality. Not a fan boy of any sort but thats what they usually give me at work. You pay more for weaker stats but we have an old macbook pro at home that is still going strong (in terms of working not speed lol) after years, vs 3 laptops I have here that broke (one display, one charger port , 1 who the fuck knows)..

    Try to look at apple or other unibody kind of laptops ( think samsung has some of these and possibly some dell) or as you mentioned some panasonic toughbooks etc...
    Depends what you want as well, sometimes if you add up the money you may be at the same state throwing one of these poorly made laptops away after 1-2 years. Now if that bothers you then yeah look intot he build quality instead some more.
     
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    I'm considering a used cf-53, since they have a 1366x768 screen, and an i5-2520m cpu while decently priced and it just slaughters the cpu in my current laptop.

    http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/472/Intel_Core_Duo_T2250_vs_Intel_Core_i5_Mobile_i5-2520M_(PGA).html

    Upgrading to a Samsung 850 ssd and upgrading to 8GB of ram while running lubuntu, should make it a beast of a machine for a long time.

    I was consdiering the Cf-31 but they are a too expensive for the i5 models, the one witht he SL9300 are decently priced but I'd prefer something a little more modern and I don't actually need a fully rugged laptop since I'm not going to be out in the woods with it.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Toughbook-CF-53-Core-i5-2-5GHz-4GB-320GB-Win-7-x64-Touch-WNTY/301659111798?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29979%26meid%3Dbee631e987784e58a380174eddc5bacd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D151672592321&rt=nc
     
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  4. S2Term

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    This post makes me miss my IBM ThinkPad.

    I loved that laptop, it was the most solidly built laptop I've ever had and likely will ever have.
     
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    The IBM thinkpads were awesome, from what I was reading on them the T420 was the last quality build by them(as lenovo).
     
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    It's odd that a 2009 laptop was the best laptop ever ... but so it goes.
     
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    I think the CF-53's may be better than the T420, I'm probably going to order one in a few months and see how it operates. But I really don't have to upgrade my laptop for a while since my current one is actually pretty good for the majority of stuff I do, and I'll be doing video editing on my desktop, I'll try doing some over RDP on my home network and see how that goes.
     
  8. vnmurray

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    I have a macbook pro that is like 5 years old and other than the damage that I have done to it, it is still extremely fast and dependable. Only looking to get a new computer since my friend spilled water on mine and now 3 of the keys dont work.

    Also had a coworker have his macbook survive a fire because his army helmet was on top of it. The outside is charred but everything inside works exactly the same.
     
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    It is true that laptops are not made like they once were. but then I believe they are a lot cheaper now on the whole.
    Personally I have a Dell latitude E6420 which I can highly recommend as being very robust.

    The only other advise I would give is to get a solid state drive - it will transform even the cheapest laptop into a little beast.
     
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    I never liked laptops. Actually I kind of hate them. They overheat so fucking much (especially in the summer) and start opening problems after 6-12 months. If you get a pretty damn powerful laptop, be prepared to have cooling supplies for it as well otherwise it won't last long. I really don't get why people need powerful laptops to do their jobs. The only thing I use my laptop for is all the basic stuff such as email, browser, answering to my clients and things that aren't resource intensive.

    Let's face it, if you need a powerful machine for IM, you would choose a desktop vs. a laptop ALL DAY LONG. First of all, they don't fucking overheat, ever. They don't lag because of high temperature like laptops do. Second of all, for IM work you need at least a 100/100 line. The best/stable line is fiber optics, not wireless shit. Your desktop is connected to it 24/24. Of course you can connect it to your laptop as well, but what's the point then lol if it's stationary. Third of all, the screen size. I am used with 3 monitors 22'' and I can't live without them. The productivity is also HIGHER. Try and be productive with a laptop if you have 100 things to do. Last, desktops are like Nokia 3310 lol... I have 2 desktops still from 2007 in such a condition (both hardware and software) that you wouldn't notice if they are new or not (except the dust on them :p ).

    Best solution I have found is to have a decent (but not gaming or overkill one) laptop for routine things that don't take up much processor power. It's good if it has a nice graphics card as well if you play something from time to time when you get bored. But for IM and real work, get a desktop -> end of story!
     
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  11. shanna_doll

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    ThinkPads are the Nokia of laptops haha
     
  12. Capo Dei Capi

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    Some of the lower end xeon E5's totally crush the latest high performance intel gaming cpu's and they are around the same price. One can load up 768 GB of ram on the 1650v3 while the gaming laptop is limited to a measly 32GB.