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lack of quality on the freelancer market

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Alpha., Jun 9, 2014.

  1. Alpha.

    Alpha. Power Member

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    Seriously guys, what's up with freelancers lately? Over the last year my business has come to the point where I can no longer cope with the amount of clients we have by just using my normal team. As employing additional people full-time is bloody expensive over here in western Europe, I use freelancers... a lot!

    And over the last months the quality has decayed so badly that it makes me want to curl up and cry.

    In the last two weeks I've had:


    • 5 logo designers trying to pass off multiple free vectors as their own work, when I called them out they apologized and delivered guaranteed "unique" work that was stolen too... All 5 had a ton of positive feedback and some even came recommended! Doesn't anyone use Google's image search function anymore?
    • 2 content writers that tried to give me a bunch of articles that didn't pass copyscape because they were not even spun or edited in any way. 100% copied right out of different article sites & blogs
    • 1 translator that just used bing translate and considers himself a native speaker.
    • 3 web-developers that according to their amazing portfolios and reviews can build and implement anything with their eyes closed but when hired lack the skills to change the position of the menu or logo (just an example) on a wordpress site.

    And it goes on and on like that... A well known and expensive white-hat SEO provider I used on a clients site starts building spammy blackhat links and really... really... really bad PR articles and just generally botches up his work completely! etc etc...

    And the best part? Not a single one of them understands my reluctance to pay them a single dime! It's not as if I have to go and hire another freelancer to do their work in less time is it?

    Dafuq is wrong with this world at the moment? Is it just me or are all the freelancing sites being overrun by scammers and retards nowadays?

    This crap is costing me a ton of money! Anyone else having this problem? Or is it just bad luck...?
     
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    proxygo Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    if u pay peanuts u get monkeys - its that simple
    if u want quality work u gotta pay for it and do the leg work
    to hire people you have looked into....hiring random joe with a fake
    portfolio what do u expect - peanuts/monkeys - thats what u got
     
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  3. Alpha.

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    Ah, sorry I forgot to mention that none of these freelancers were of the fiverr kind! These were found on Peopleperhour, elance etc and received more than decent pay!

    The logo designers for example got 45 bucks for the logo (and it was a really simple redesigning/vectorize job).

    That's just it though.. I don't hire the cheap ones! I believe in fair pay for good work... and still receive crap!
     
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    Find quality freelancers. Don't know what else you could possibly do to be honest.

    If you haven't used Elance I would suggest it, I made a small living off of that during my early IM days (and I like to think I provide a quality service, I found myself being beaten out by larger corporations that use Elance as a selling platform though).

    Try it out, you never know.

    - A
     
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    Didn't see this post, maybe you should just find a tightly-knit circle of reputable freelancers and "keep it in the family"?

    Working closely with a few specific people isn't a bad idea.

    - A
     
  6. Alpha.

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    That's obviously the best route here, however I've had trouble finding reliable long-term freelancers. Most people just stop delivering the high quality they promote after a while..
     
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    I was panicking about outsourcing copywriting... im ok at it but in truth hate it - so whilst I can manage i'm sticking with it until there's enough money to pay someone.

    Just found out my cousin (marketing background) is setting up freelance after having a baby and is a copywriter so i'm going to use her when the times ready. She's charging $25ph, but I know the content will be good and she's as English as a cup of tea...
     
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    Welp, I like to think that I'm a high-quality kind of guy myself ;). Long-term also happens to be my middle-name (not really, that'd be pretty messed up).

    There you go, you can kill two birds with one stone. You ensure that your content will be good and you're also helping your cousin create a better life for that new baby!

    You're the man, man.

    - A
     
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    I haven't been able to hire people to do delicate online work, only mindless stuff they can't possibly screw up, or else I won't pay them, and I make that clear.

    My suggestion is that you do as much work as you can yourself, and let your freelancers take care of the tedium.

    I'm so wary of buying graphics. I never even ask for someone's service unless I see a design portfolio or at least some example. I've learned a lot by doing it myself. Saving money, but paying in time, but at least I'm getting experience from it.
     
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    Normally I'd completely agree with you. But it's really just impossible to do everything on my own anymore! I have 2 exceptional logo designers I like to use, BUT they cost around €150 per logo (that's nearly $200)... So my search for good but cheaper (50 bucks per logo ish) designers is quite understandable, right?

    And you really can't go by peoples portfolio anymore... I've seen freelancers with insane portfolios and recommendations, only to find out they sold their account to someone over the pond somewhere who couldn't spell the word vector!
     
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    Wrong! If you're time has value, spending all that time looking for a bargain is a waste.
     
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    Work on a bulletproof interview process that weeds out the morons would be my suggestion, i guess.
     
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    What? If I were to find a logo designer that delivers top-notch quality for 50 bucks, I'd save 50% of my present costs regarding logos... where is that a waste?

    To really see what a designer is good for, you need to get him on a project. If they all flunk each time (like this time) it's probably going to be a tedious job! I'll probably just book my main guy and one or two additional cheaper ones at the same time, it might minimize my profit but I'll be able to weed out the flunkys!
     
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    Not to be a dick but $45 is not a lot of money to spend when it comes to a logo, even if it was a simple redesign.
     
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    I had the some problems in the past and the only thing i found reliable was to teach a few kids to do the job i needed. It's time consuming but today I can say I am happy that i did this - i have a small team of freelancers working just for me + they constantly learning new things.
     
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    Right.. so 45$ is not enough for about 10-15 minutes work? Dream on...

    Read the rest of the thread and you'll see that I generally pay around 200$ for a complete logo with maybe 1-2 minor revisions.