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Keyword Revealer much lower scores than kw finder!

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  1. kontentguy

    kontentguy Regular Member UnGagged Attendee

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    I've read many threads where people seem to like both of these

    but keyword revealer has much lower difficulty scores across the board. i suppose it doesnt really matter why, but curious what people prefer or if it matters

    but ive seen some keywords that are a 5 on revealer and 20+ on kw finder.
     
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    Don't focus on the score. Do your own research on the competition. It's just a indication.
     
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    They are different products, using different APIs and different methods of calculating scores. This should be no great surprise.

    Use them as a guide to go off, don't treat their competition number as fact.

    Look for the following:
    • Are the sites targeting this keyword, if none of them are 100% relevant to the search term this is a good sign.
    • E-commerce category pages, avoid these. They are set up as silo pages and can be tough to crack, especially if they are big brands.
    • Free from affiliate sites, there's no point going up against people in a space with existing competition already...
    • eBay guide pages are a good sign, as are YouTube videos... Just be careful they are not affiliate parasite pages. See previous point.
    Hope this helps.
     
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    In addition to what Ste just wrote, I would just like to add that you should check out quick look at age of domains if there are any competing in the same niche that you are in. If new sites got there easily you will as well. If they are all aged well built authority sites, it will be much harder.
     
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    ive seen some major brand category pages, but the PA is 1 and there is no on page text. usually just a header. would you still avoid those as well?
     
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    Yes.

    Category pages will have 100's of products under them passing authority to the category.

    Ignore PA, Moz's metrics are very poor.
     
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    stop looking at tools, do it manually. Its the best
     
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    That's a useless reply.

    How is it the best?
     
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    im aware that pouring over the top 10 results in serps and meticulously analyzing each page will yield the most accurate measurement of keyword difficulty - i just dont want to spend 15 years looking for a keyword/niche, hence the tools, ie shortcuts
     
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    That might still result in false positives, because there are keywords with authority sites ranking on top that haven't targeted the keyword at all. They either got there by accident (due to their authority) or because there was nothing else to show and Google must of course provide some relevant results for each query. You can beat these authority sites by making sure that your on-site SEO strictly focuses on ranking that keyword despite the site's age and authority. And btw, age == backlinks == authority, so it's basically the same thing. Age, as in the domain was registered 10 years ago vs. 2 years ago, means absolutely nothing.
     
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    Yes I could not agree more with this post. This is so true every word right put. This entire statement should be on every WSO handbook and it would still would be more worth then entire WSO content that's been sold in that particular offer.

    For a long time I haven't done some tests, but I've just done some minor testing with one keyword that I'm playing with o boy how much on-site SEO and KW density matters to SERP positions without any links at all.
     
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    You basically sum up my secret to ranking sites in 1 short sentence! :D
     
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    Just like you did with years of testing, trial & error and countless domains burnt within one paragraph. :D
     
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    How do you even do it manually without looking at tools to know the; domain age, amount of backlinks, pa/da etc?
     
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    Fun fact time! :D
    Did you know? Pyramids have been built by hand. Day by day. Stone by stone. By 100k people. In 10 years. Or so.
     
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    I thought it was built by 10 people in 100k years :)
     
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    Hello buddy,

    Keywordrevealer is better than kwfinder. You have to check manually, even though keywordrevealer shows below 20 KC. Count of Backlinks in this tool is completely wrong. Long Tail Pro Platinum shows an exact number of Backlink Report.

    If you want to check the keywords competition, you can contact us if you can't spend money on a long tail pro. we will do it as free and send a report about competitors.

    It will take up to 1 hr per one keyword to check manually. Then calculate how many hrs it will take to find one low competition keyword from your niche. There are many things to mind about keywords.