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JV Partnership Gone Horribly Wrong

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by taberdude2, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Hi all,

    Has anyone ever had a jv partnership go really wrong? I thought I was on the right track but, 1 & 1 is not adding up.

    If anyone has had this happen-did you repost for another jv partnership?

    This was my first & I sure am stuck in a shitty spot.

    Advice?
     
  2. vickitim

    vickitim Registered Member

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    Can you give a little info?
     
  3. zenerchi

    zenerchi Regular Member

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    no bad experience mostly just ppl that talk a lot at first but when it comes time to do work they dont do shit. seems to me most ppl like talking and dreaming about money than actually having it
     
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  4. Jcsarokin

    Jcsarokin Power Member

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    Yup, people lie, cheat , and steal. But its all about trust. I know i dont deal with people i cant completely trust.

    Some scammers just take the money and run. Its always good to know a little about your partner incase anything goes wrong your covered.
     
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  5. true3000

    true3000 Regular Member

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    i agree Jcsarokin...;)

    EDIT: after reading mosoi's post, i guess i better not make mine pointless. bottom line, be careful with who you trust but don't be so guarded that you prevent yourself from creating a beneficial jv. each person in a jv needs to have their 'assigned' task/s and, quite frankly, if they don't hold up to their end, cut the cord and walk away friends...if possible
     
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  6. mosoi148

    mosoi148 Regular Member

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    Well said, as a matter of fact I have nothing to add...

    Pointless post? :yield:

    OP, roughly why are you in a bad spot? I am sure whoever you are JV'ng with is going to see this and know you mean them anyway, but no need to give us names. (Unless of course you have been outright scammed)
     
  7. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    The basics= had a great idea for a membership site. Purchased domain (s)- the membership site got expanded into 2 membership sites. The 2nd membership site is on hold while the first gets up and running.

    Membership site will be forum based with members able to use the regular portion of the forum and there is a premium section that members will have to pay to have access to.

    Forum is set up with no content really added yet. So I have it hosted on my host that I pay for every month, I bought the 2 domains, I wrote the lesson plans for the first 2 months. We already have members signing up.

    My issue is, I do not know how to upload files to this forum or finish up the small details to get the show on the road. To top it off this jv partner installed a licensed version of vbulletin on the domain which is hosted on my host.

    Now as for the partner- it appears he has his own sideline money ventures going on- which I do not knock him for- but- his sideline has taken over to the point that he is no longer communicating with me as much as needed. Through much snooping and a few hunches- I think I have discovered that he has a) another forum (that he is spending time on ),b) a blog recently started, c) a webhost/server biz, d) ebook/software seller, e) college student, f) investments-banking

    This is all great but umm what about the jv? I received an IM yesterday from this person telling me that he would explain how to upload files to the forum- umm he was going home & would get back to me within the hour. The day passed, the nite passed, another day passed, and now another nite has passed.

    We have been working on this for a month and all that I've seen on his part is a forum put up. I keep asking "what can I do on my end to get this going?" Add content he replies.


    So long story short- awesome idea at a total stand still.

    And I'm not the type of person to hound someone to death with Instant Messages. This was going to be a fifty/fifty profit split but the help doesn't feel even.

    Any advice?
     
  8. iglow

    iglow Elite Member

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    Well it happends. I had 2 bad experiences here in JV, wasnt scammed tho. Just the guys who claimed they can do something totally wasnt able..
     
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  9. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    I won't name names- the current member is banned here, supposedly a temp ban.

    And no money was exchanged.

    The other thing is I let him add the forum on my host so he had my password-which I just changed.

    So what do I do with vbulletin when I don't know how to run it?
     
  10. kingbrend

    kingbrend Regular Member Premium Member

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    You don't know how to use a FTP program? Or what's the deal?
     
  11. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    I do know how to use ftp- I've used filezilla alot with my wp blogs.

    Just don't know where to upload.:confused:
     
  12. true3000

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    i'd say learn what you can about vbulletin...i wouldn't let it just sit there if you have everything else in place. just learn how to use it, customize it, and get it going. then cut your losses with your partner. if he/she was interested enough, they would have been motivated to get it done for you. I know, i know...easier said than done but you don't want to let everything sit there because you don't know how to use it.
     
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  13. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Okay-dumb question of the day.

    Can I get into trouble for continuing to use it? If I've changed password-is there anyway he can take it off?

    Don't want to put the work in and see the forum go bye-bye.
     
  14. mosoi148

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    Sounds like you should just be honest with the person about your position:

    "Hey you seem to have a lot going on and I am sitting on my hands here. I need to get this moving and if you don't have the time I am going to have to find someone else that does."

    Or tell him to shove off and use google / ask questions here about how/where to add content with FTP, then figure out (google is once again your friend) how to use Vbulletin.
     
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  15. tsincaat

    tsincaat Junior Member

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    Sometimes people aren't on the same page. If you hound him to help you out it may be the best thing to do rather then wasting time. If it ticks him off at least you can keep moving forward. I don't know all the details, but sometimes people forget, or figure something isn't important and need to be bothered.

    Backup your site, SQL and all that, and you at least still have the content if you lose the forum license.
     
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  16. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    I've asked him many times how can we get this going faster? I've also told him my situation- its a sob story- almost homeless with 3 kids and hubby that is a contractor/carpenter making $20 an hour a year ago-now works minimum wage + unemployment, trying to support his family.

    I told the jv partner about this-I was honest and it was not a story.

    Then I put my research skills to work and see he is doing sideline stuff despite knowing these facts. It feels kind of like I was brushed aside.:(
     
  17. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    I just want to say thanks everyone for the advice and tips. I really appreciate the fact that you took time to read this post.:)
     
  18. heiny

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    Ok..Here's how I read the whole scenario

    -You didn't sign a contract to force him to do X-amount of hours of work with you. He was however obliged to give you a kickstart and a little bit of advice.

    -Your vBulletin membership that he had LEND to you, you should return upon request and not just 'keep' it.

    -Go find a new JV that is willing to put more work into it.

    And..what kind of forum are we talking about? Unless you're offering how to find gold or how to sell the newest firearms to the Chinese or Koreans I don't see why people would sign up and pay for a membership on a 'dead' forum. Fill us in
     
  19. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Heiny,

    I have no intention of "just keeping it" (the vbulletin). That would be so not right. I stepped back and thought of other options and will implement them.

    As for "why would people want to sign up on a dead forum?" That is my point exactly. I need to continue and advance the forum with content so its not a "dead forum." And that is where I am stuck. I've never used vbulletin, its not my license, and even if I was to "just keep it", there would be a learning curve for me while I Google how to use the damn thing.

    So my only options are:

    1) find a new jv partner
    2) wipe the forum off the site and create a site with wp-which I can do and had planned to do anyway, until my ex-jv partner installed his licensed vbulletin on my host.

    Because of my situation that I unfortunately mentioned (sob story), I am impatient, frustrated and trying to put my head on straight so I can move forward in a positive light. I'm not giving up, "where there is a will, there is a way."

    :)
     
  20. NemoTheOne

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    Find a new partner. Don't let YOUR work go to waste, especially if it's a project that you feel can be successful.
     
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