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Just sold a wholesale list for 330$ need advice..

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by cashcorp, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. cashcorp

    cashcorp Regular Member

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    One-Im torn here, its this idiots fault for not reading the whole auction, but I just cant fucking figure out how someone could be stupid enough to bid on something without even reading the description. I was getting, 5, maybe ten bucks for these auctions. nothing more. What should I do?

    Heres a link to the auction.. I think I was pretty clear in the auction what I was selling.. what do you guys think?


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  2. cashcorp

    cashcorp Regular Member

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    Eh I think im to moral to keep this fools money, what do you fellas think?

    damn conscience..
     
  3. Black Hat Seo

    Black Hat Seo BANNED BANNED

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    It doesn't have to be about morals, if this guy creates a huge case for you, is it worth the bad feedback for some clown that can't read? To me it's always better to give them their money back and lose them or they'll just be a thorn in your side.
     
  4. cashcorp

    cashcorp Regular Member

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    Well really I feel its all about morals. I was fairly specific in the auction, and when you bid on an item on ebay you are entering into a contract. (Not to mention thats a throwaway ebay account) I'll end up paying this guy back.. but im going to wait a day or two and let it sink in. then send him a nice email along with his refund detailing how next time he might not get so lucky, and should READ before he throws down 400 USD for something.
     
  5. Essential Clix

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    Not the same thing, but damn close. Not worth it, just refund their money. It'll save you from any possible court dates and will let you sleep at night.
     
  6. metalan1

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    its his fault but I would not sell him a wholesale list for $330, jsut tell him the deal..
     
  7. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Well, lemmee tell ya what!

    Your title is misleading as Hell; "BRAND NEW WII CONSOLE Wolesale", you can't spell and you ought to have your soon-to-be-beaten-rosy-red-ass thrown off of eBay!

    Your auction is precisely the kind of crap which has led to sellers being unable to leave negative feedback for buyers, the infamous "21 Day Hold" on PayPal funds and other "improvements" which screw sellers.

    You should be ashamed or get an education or both.

    Your "WWII" refers to "World War Two" in the eBay keyword system and you know it, not "Wii", which is the CORRECT TERM!

    "WOLESALE".

    "Wholesale List" listing are pure fucking fraud anyway and you know that too!

    Did the buyer make a mistake?

    Yeah, maybe; didn't read the listing, entered "$330.00" when the buyer meant "33.00".

    The ONLY thing that YOU are worried about is whether or not to refund; assuming that you have been paid, in order to keep your miserable fraudulent ass from getting kicked off eBay.

    Your auction title is MISLEADING as Hell and YOU MEANT IT TO BE SO!

    I personally hope that you get your ass banned for life from eBay for this listing.

    YOU are the kind of seller who has caused MY selling options to be limited and I resent the Hell out of it.

    You don't refund and find that you can sleep at night; I don't EVEN want to go there!

    People like you just PISS ME OFF!

    "Oh, I did a good listing and they paid too much so should I refund?"

    Implicit in the question is the acknowledgment THAT YOU GOT FUCKING CAUGHT IN YOUR FRAUD AND ARE NOW SCARED THAT YOUR SCAMMING ASS WILL GET CAUGHT UP WITH!

    Not to put too fine a point on it but...fuck you.

    People like you have ruined eBay for the small to medium seller.
     
  8. cashcorp

    cashcorp Regular Member

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    Wow buddy, your a real fuckwad. I already stated Im refunding the guys money. And believe it or not, some people actually BUY WHOLESALE LISTS FOR WHAT THEY ARE. I invest maybe $100 annually in new, up to date lists. It helps me find good deals for the other thing I sell on ebay-WHOLESALE PRODUCTS.


    So go fuck off you moron, again someone who doesnt know how to read(EVERYTHING) as you clearly read the auction but not the fucking post.

    Dipshit.
     
  9. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Lemmee see here...

    You call ME a "fuckwad" while YOU are the guy running SCAMMING LISTINGS?

    You should have REFUNDED IMMEDIATELY!

    You should not run such CRAP in the first place!

    Do NOT give me that "wholesale lists are good thing" shit; they are one of the oldest SCAMS on eBay and only take advantage of people out there trying to make a living find a niche or maybe even earn next week's food money.

    "FUCKWAD", indeed!

    I notice that your feedback is a whopping "3".

    Dude, my positive feedback on eBay is well over THREE FUCKING THOUSAND and I have NEVER run such a SHIT auction as did you and never would!

    There is a "fuckwad" here but it ain't me!
     
  10. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Alright guys, cool it please.
     
  11. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Ah, yah, that's a big 10-4, Good Buddy!
     
  12. cashcorp

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    Well, refunded. I decided to just go ahead and send it back to the lady tonight. Sent her a nice email to, It was def worth the gratitude she seemed to have in her email back to me. =] Sometimes stupid people can make me smile haha..

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  13. zskk1

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    cashcorp, is it possible for you to post or PM me the wholesale list you were selling?
     
  14. somebodysomewhere

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    I hate to stick my nose into what's heating up to be a flame war, but since 2 cents is what was asked for .... and I have about that ... here goes.

    Misleading titles irritate the hell out of me as a buyer, as a seller I can see it being someones bread and butter. I'm sure many of users of this forum engage in "misleading" their prospects in one way or another, hell there are numerous threads dedicated to "how to". They may not be worded quite that way, but it's a large part of what I see happening here -i.e. cloaking, redirects, encrypting links blah blah blah.

    As for the finer point of reading the Friggn add all the way through, well contracts are well ... CONTRACTS, read them. If you don't I don't feel sorry for you. Not to say that I read everyone I agree to, all the way through. Hell have you looked at your credit card terms of service, phone bill or cable terms of service? They all say essentially we can screw u in whatever orafice we like at any time for no reason and you should be happy with that mmm K.

    Buyer beware, if the add said it was for a list, he should be out the $330, period. On the other hand as a business person, yeah it would save you a lot of headache just to give the guy the cash back.

    Morally, I say screw em. As a business decision, if hes not happy, yeah give em a break.

    Uptown has a point about this type of auction leading to restrictions on sellers, which I thought was a bit over the top, but I like that the guy is adamant about whichever side of the coin he's arguing.

    I will now accept the scorching from both sides :D
     
  15. cashcorp

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    Gotcha clix. Sorry if I over reacted.

    As for you Uptownbulker, perhaps you shouldnt judge someone you do not know.
    1. It said WII not WWII
    2. wolesale wholesale tomato tomatto, it was a typo.
    3. Most people wouldnt even consider a refund, I felt obligated to do so.
    4.Believe it or not, there is a market for wholesale lists. I know, I make 2 to 3 thousand dollars a year selling them to SATISFIED customers.
    5.wow, were getting into ebay feedback here? If you bothered to read all my posts you would clearly see I said thats a throwaway account. I have 1 main one for selling physical items, and another for other things I sell. I then bolster the feedback on various account over a 2/3 month period and SELL THEM as well.

    6.You clearly have some unresolved anger issues regarding ebay. Just chill the hell out man, I apoligize for my rash reaction but I do not appreciate being judged by.. well anyone, who doesnt know me.

    Finally, No hard feelings. Normally I would have just looked right over your post as I dont like getting into flamewars. There stupid, and painfully childish. What is the saying? Even if you win a fight on the internet your still a loser?

    Anyways I havent had a cig in about 8 hours (trying to quit) so Im a little more prone to rash reactions than usual. My apologys, and while not expected I would appreciate the same from you. Anyways the matters closed. Sorry for the outburst clix.
     
  16. easy

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    Why was this even posted in the Making Money forum?
     
  17. MiLiTARYiV

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    Naw its almost the same. To be honest I just sold 2 wholesale electronic suppliers to a online contact for $500, but the suppliers is worth more then that

    So yeah if I were you i would keep the money...
     
  18. shadowyad

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    Lol -- Judge Judy. I can't believe she tried to get away with selling pictures of cell phones!!! This may open up a new area of Blackhat marketing. Just imagine -- pictures of cars, pictures of plasma tv sets, etc etc. Imagine some poor sucker bidding $17,000 for a new Ford Escort and getting an 8 1/2 x 11 glossy instead! The profit potential is unlimited!
     
  19. cpaaddict

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    ok heres my 2 cents. i would of refunded yes as above. but as for the other guy calling you scammer.

    well thats not on. you say people like him ruin ebay? ok then answer this.

    why do ebay have their own catergory for wholesale lists?

    nuff said
     
  20. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    OK, I'll answer that.

    I was also asked by the Mods to "cool it", so I will instead, examine this listing step-by-step in a reasonable and rational manner, unlike my absolutely enraged resopnse of last night.

    The listing was in the following categories; none of which are "Wholesale Lists"; From the listing; Item Number: 280203557273


    "Listed in category: Video Games > Systems
    Also listed in: Video Games > Wholesale Lots > Console Systems".

    The listing was not placed in the "Wholesale List" category.

    Now if that is not a misleading listing, please tell me what it is!

    Next, a search for "WII" brings up not only Wii stuff but listing for World War I and World War II stuff.

    The listing is deceptive in the title:

    "BRAND NEW WII CONSOLE Wolesale"

    The listing is deceptive in the Subtitle:

    "save over 80% on a WII"

    The image is that of a Wii console; although it is shown on the front of what is apparently a box.

    And now we come to the "Item Description", copied DIRECTLY from the listing:

    "Item Specifics - Video Game Systems
    Platform:
    Nintendo Wii
    Format:
    --

    Bundled Items:
    Accessories, Game(s)

    Condition:
    New

    Item Specifics - Item Condition
    Condition:
    New "

    Further the use of the alleged "mis-spelling" of the word "wholesale" as "WOLESALE" is merely a deceptive ploy as the eBay users read it as "WHOLESALE" while keeping the listing OUT of searches based on the eBay keyword and search term "WHOLESALE" which returns tens to hundreds of thousands of listing, thus preventing the listing from being buried therein, while implying that a "Wii" is being sold at "wholesale".

    People want to sell "Wholesale Lists", fine.

    Sell "Wholesale Lists" with an accurate description and in the correct category; do not describe your product as something other than what it is!

    Here's the next problem!

    Cashcorp wrote:

    "Well really I feel its all about morals. I was fairly specific in the auction, and when you bid on an item on ebay you are entering into a contract. (Not to mention thats a throwaway ebay account) I'll end up paying this guy back.. but im going to wait a day or two and let it sink in. then send him a nice email along with his refund detailing how next time he might not get so lucky, and should READ before he throws down 400 USD for something."

    Translation:

    "I put up a deceptive and fraudulent listing expecting to make ten bucks of so but instead there was a bidding war which ran my fraud up to $330 and now I'm nervous about it. so what I'm going to do is to toy with the buyer for a few days and make them sweat because as the SELLER I have POWER and can teach the buyer a lesson, ignoring the fact that I was merely TOO successful in my attempt to defraud buyers and now worried that I might get caught."

    Cashcorp also wrote:

    "I was fairly specific in the auction.."

    And while we're at it, do tell, Cashcorp, just where is the "specificity" in the listing to which you refer?

    It is to be noted that this plan was immediately tossed out the window after a VERY short period following my original post and the buyer refunded.

    Of course, the eBay seller account is a "throwaway account"; it was set up in an outright to attempt to defraud buyers through misleading listings.

    Cashcorp also wrote:

    "Well really I feel its all about morals.."

    Now there is a statement which is both dripping in irony AND an oxymoron!

    Had the listing been in the proper category, I would have apologised for my late-night outburst but instead, stand by it 100% and am 100% supported in my claims by the facts and reality.

    Facts are sometimes ugly and reality is often worse.