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Just got a hell of a deal on a laptop it needs a hard driver help.

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  1. Mgkfanboy43

    Mgkfanboy43 Junior Member

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    I just got a steal on a laptop at a local close out electronic auction.

    It doesnt have the hard driver. Im not to tech savy. I know how to use computers pretty good i dont know much when it comes to the brains on the computer.

    I heard you can run a computer without a harddrive is that true?

    How would i know what hard drive i need to get the model is as follows

    ASUS ROG GL502VS-DB71

    i know its a 1tb 7200 rpm hard drive. I dont know how many inches it is or the size i would need for the replacement, how would i find out?

    Will it be operational when the new hard drive is put in? Or will it need to have something downloaded like the OS?
     
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    Can't tell if that model has a cd reader or not. But you need to install a OS on it obviously. If you're no to tech savvy then finding the drivers for the touchpad etc can be a problem.
     
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    You mean an human life without heart?

    Seriously, where did you got that info?

    Just kidding out, You need to have hard drive, otherwise where will you have the OS, and how will you even get started? Just buy an cheap HDD from ebay, setup and install OS, and run it out.
     
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    Technically he may be right. You can run most linux live cd/dvd/usb images directly from their sources.
     
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    And how will you store the data? Lets say he will run from images, and when did cd/dvd started storing data in an disk?

    You think it will be possible to overwrite each time?
     
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    you can run an OS without an hdd
    1. burn a live cd of your operating system of choice onto a cd/usb
    2. insert it
    3. boot from that medium
    4. voila
    this technique is used commonly for diagnostic purposes. you obviously cannot save files, but it's enough to do diagnostics.

    when you buy a replacement hdd, you will have to install an OS to do anything. it's going to involve getting a cd/usb with a bootable image of the OS.
     
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    What you are saying is for repair or install of operating system. You cant really run the os without installing it.
     
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    Yes, you can. Live cd's are not just for repair or diagnostics. They can run an entire linux operating system. You just can't save anything.
     
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    Perfect laptop for TAILS distribution is you want to skip hdd completely . Hard disk is easiest part to replace in terms of compatibility. 99% of computers today communicate with its permanent storage via SATA. Every laptop use 2.5 inch storage. 10-15 years old junk use PATA.
     
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    So I'm a bit confused I can get any hdd for that laptop that is 2.5"? How do you get so like windows for cheap? I plan on flipping it like I said I got it really cheap it's basically a brand new open box display model.
     
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    SSD's come in variety of capacities and speeds dictated by price. Smaller the drive capacity, usually slower the read/write speeds & cheaper price.
    I recently bought a 120gb ssd for an old laptop i'm fixing for a friend. Their ad claimed speeds up to 450mb/s read/write. I thought great, it's plenty fast. I installed it & performed a benchmark, it was 100mb/s. Turns out the faster speeds are only available on the higher capacity drives for that particular model. Go figure.
    As far as getting a windows license goes:
    free = pirate it
    cheap = ebay
    full price = buy from microsoft.com
     
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    Wouldn't i need a hdd not a ssd? It appears my laptop has both a ssd and hdd but the hdd is what o believe is missing
     
  14. uncutu

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    they're the same thing in the sense it's a hard drive. different in the sense ssd has no moving parts, making it a lot faster.
    hdd's were the technology of last decade. ssd's are what's being used now. hope that clears things up.
    ssd is what you need to buy. expect to spend ~$100-200 for decent part. i'm preferential to samsung. you can get them as low as $60 if you're on a small budget.
    https://www.newegg.com/SSDs/Category/ID-119?Tpk=ssd
     
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    that's when an external hard drive comes into play ;)
     
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    Basically dude these are your options

    Option 1 - USB)
    You can use a USB and run an operating system from that, the OS will be contained only within the USB stick or it can operate from your RAM. You can also partition this operating system to hold permanent storage if ran purely from the USB and not just act as a 'live' install.
    (However this is best suited for Linux O/S but can be done with windows as long as the EFI security crap is sorted from bios)
    If running something like TAILS as mentioned this would be an amnesiac OS which is not practical for most people as you're limited on saving.

    Option 2 - Place a HDD inside - Or outside
    This is actually way easier than you would think you can pop a correctly sized HDD in it, most laptops are designed to have the HDD replaced fairly easily, normally just slotting in after you take off the chasis case of the laptop, search youtube.
    (This is a good option if you will be selling it, if you want you could just use a full external Hard drive connected via USB)


    Option 3- Use SSD
    Pop the SSD card in and this acts as the Hard drive, however if this is the only storage it will need enough for the OS and everything you do with it, a common thing is Operating system installed on SSD for speed, and then hard drive used for all storage.


    Conclusion

    I would suggest you check youtube for replacing hard drive in that laptop model and just get comfortable with taking the casing of the laptop off. IF You are going to sell it.
    And find a decent cheap hard drive the correct size which is going to be 2.5
    (Something I like to do is get the exact same hard drive as the one it comes with, this is even better if you don't know what you're doing and play it safe)
    If you're keeping it for yourself just use an external hdd if you don't wanna fuck around.
    You can easily replace a HDD yourself with the help of youtube, ensure there is enough info for you to do it or if you're really scared pay the local computer repair store.
     
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    So I would need a hdd not a sdd? The guy above confused me by saying they are the same thing I'm pretty sure mine has both it's a $1600 laptop.

    Could I just get a generic hard drive? I'm trying to get a cheap part to help flip it
     
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    What would the value be with out a hard drive???

    It in really good condition I think I could sell it as New without a box. So it would be best if it had a hard drive in that case I'm sure most people don't check that out
     
  19. uncutu

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    i see you're still confused about ssd and hdd. both are hard drives.
    see http://visual.ly/difference-between-ssd-hdd
    hdd or ssd is up to you. both will do the job. hdd is cheap and slow. ssd is expensive and fast.
    asus rog is a high end unit for enthusiasts. my jv partner has two. ssd inside both.
    selling without a hard drive will take a big hit. look on ebay and compare units that are fully functioning vs those with no hard drive.
     
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    I couldn't find any without hard drives on eBay.

    Answer this for me does the Asia rog have a hdd and sdd? It says in the description on Amazon it has a certain ssd and a certain hdd so that means there is 2 correct?

    I'm pretty sure it's the hdd that's missing so that means I could just replace that with a hdd then right? That's how it came

    Everyone is saying ssd which if it's better I agree with but I'm pretty sure mine already has the sdd it's just missing the hdd