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just for the ones that have some time here at BHW

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by dizz, Jun 13, 2011.

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should we put tighter restrictions on noobs

Poll closed Oct 11, 2011.
  1. yes harsh

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  2. yes with some kind of test

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  3. yes but just a limit before you can post

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  4. no

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  1. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    This forum is loosing IQ points lately from some of the noobs.I have stuck up for the noobs a lot until lately.They have no grasp of the basics ask questions like what is an autoblog.
    So I guess my other complaint is banned scammers are coming back no matter what the mods to ban them.Its not the mods fault we all can hide our ass.
    I want to hear from members who have been here for awhile and see if we can find a suggestion to send to the big dogs.I do not want to see this forum done in by scammers and dumb-asses.
    Dizz
     
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  2. VelvetVampire

    VelvetVampire Junior Member

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    @dizz: you werent the brightest of the bunch either when you joined the forum ya know. or did you forget about your -70 rep from your ventrillo escapades :p And look at you now :)

    IMHO theres no way to prevent noobs from posting those kinda threads. The mods are doing what they can and there are other helpful members here who try to teach the noobs how to use the search button instead of posting silly threads.

    Maybe they should get a fair warning/instruction before they sign up.
     
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  3. mohitjmehta

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    @diz i agree with you .i am seeing many of peeps coming here only for ads or so BUT we have very strong mods who are taking care of them so i dont think its a big problem .you can see that 95%+ spam posts and similar junk gone within 2-3 hours
     
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  4. GooglesMostWanted

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    Have them answer 10 multiple choice questions related to the topics on BHW before they are able to register.

    That way, they would read up before they try to come here posting feed me threads.
     
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  5. SweTech

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    I am one of those new spamming members. I suggest you kick me out ASAP ;)

    Anyway, I suggest more moderators and rules similar to the one´s below. (My english sucks but you get the idea)

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    BHW have both rules and netiquette rules. Violating any of these can result in reprimand, warning or suspension from the forum. It is the user's responsibility to have read these rules before they start using the forum. A user may also be banned from certain parts of the forum if you misbehave.

    Quality over quantity

    BHW demands both quality and readable information. Threads or posts that do not fullfil this will be deleted or locked.

    Members who oppose the freedom of debate in the forums, by systematically publish low quality posts will be banned. The abbreviation QOQ stands for "quality over quantity".


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    Read, and show respect for other people's arguments. Posts that are not in English are erased. A member who violates any of netikeqette rules can receive a warning.

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    Be sure to post your messages in the proper forum. Your posts must be related to the topic that the forum intends. If you are unsure of which forum is best, you can contact a moderator before you post. If there are several forums that are suitable for your post, select the forum that you think is most appropriate.

    3. Stick to the topic of the thread

    Rather than abandon the chosen topic of the thread, start a new thread with the new title. Posts that are off-topic or nonsense can be deleted without notice and justification.

    4. Cross Posting is prohibited

    Cross-posting, that is to post the same posts in multiple threads, or creating the same thread in multiple forums, is not allowed.

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    6. False rumors are prohibited

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  6. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    That was because of an argument I had with Harro not because we did not know what we where doing we just had more to learn.We did come with the basics.We have come a long way and I hope we go farther.
    I have always stuck up for noobs till now.I still like that there is new good talent coming in but now there is people who where banned and they come back to do it again.

    Dizz


     
  7. Savant

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    I highly disagree with the OP, the forum is not exclusive for experts. At one point in time, we've noob-ed ourselves. Just sayin' :)
     
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  8. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    You might be the guy I was talking about that had the basics most do not.Swetech has the best idea so far.As far as you disagreeing with me is great but there must be a basic standard for all who join.Also the vote is showing that there needs to be a change.

    Dizz

     
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  9. cornkernel

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    well... i know the 'autoblogging' thread dizz is referring to... and it's ridiculous. that's why at first i thought the OP of that thread was joking.

    people need to know how to use the search function, instead of wasting space.

    edit: people should know how to learn sh*t on their own. it's not about 'noob'. it's about some people not even bothering to find out sh*t that's been said before (and right in front of their face!). SEARCH is there for a reason. i see at least three or four things a day being asked over and over. if people searched beforehand, they wouldn't be wasting space by asking again.

    people need to take some initiative, and find stuff out.
     
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  10. 75INZ

    75INZ Regular Member

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    You were a noob once too mate.
     
  11. mohitjmehta

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    i agree with you that everyone was noob one time BUT there is a difference between asking for help/doing mistakes and spamming the board with aff links and own sites
    as per my my knowledge diz talking on this
     
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  12. SweTech

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    The problem are not the noobs, it´s all the duplicate threads. Here at BHW, you have to search for a while to find the gems since they are hiding in all those "Is it worth to buy Scrapebox?"-threads.

    If mods could just remove all the duplicate threads, life would be so much easier for all of us. I understand that this would mean a lot of extra work and that´s why I suggest that BHW should hire some new moderators.
     
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  13. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    You have my vote....

    Dizz

     
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  14. JackSparrow

    JackSparrow Supreme Member

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    Everyone is a newb sometime and as long as their questions are sound then i have no problem with helping them, but i agree with destroying quick buck scammers, shit head spammers, review copy beggars, thanks attention seekers, pm inbox bandits, freebie leechers and spoonfed cretins.
     
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  15. GooglesMostWanted

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    There are 2 different types of noobs.

    The first type is the noob who is willing to learn and is actively searching on forums and Google for information for their questions. He's the type of person to make a thread asking a specific question about a detailed problem. He most likely tried a Google search or even a BHW search but could not find the detailed answer he was looking for. His last choice is to ask for the expertise of BHW members.

    The second type of noob comes here asking how to make money. I mean we all come here wanting to make money but we don't ASK, we read, research, do trial and error! The problem with these noobs is that they want shortcuts... and that's their problem... they want to shortcut everything... shortcut methods... shortcut research.... shortcut work ... they aren't even ready to actually make money because they don't have the right mind set. You can't short cut work. You can find ways to work more efficiently, but you can't SKIP work ( trial and error ) and go straight to the money.
     
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  16. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    Look I was new everyone of us has been new there is no Question about it.I expect no noobs to quite agree with this.They take it as an insult not a challenge.We worked CL before we got here made enough to live on.We still fuck up...get into jvs where someone screws us and then it affects our bottom line.Then we act like businessmen or women and fix what we have to.I have seen people post about jr vip and have 0 posts it is obvious that these are people who have been banned.So vote for the betterment of our BHW.

    Dizz

    PS I have run out of thanks for the day even so many of y'all deserve it
     
  17. WizGizmo

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    I deal with noobs every day here on the forum. If they make an honest mistake, I try to show them the right way to do something, or I point them to the BHW rules, etc.

    If I see that they are simply not getting it, I tell them to stop doing whatever it is they are doing wrong. Then if they still don't listen, I have to resort to extreme measures. I have a lot of patience, but my patience has a limit also.

    Personally, I have nothing against them, since I realize that we all had to start as noobs.

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
     
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  18. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I get what you are saying/thinking, Dizz, as there are a lot of new members that are not IM savvy... I get a lot of PMs as well as emails from that crowd.

    I offer what I can without spoon feeding generally and even spoon feed the occasional one that appears to be really trying and just missing the boat a bit.

    I don't know, nor could I formulate a plan of attack on how to clean it up as I am just not that smart but I do think that it would be a better forum with some noob adjustments.

    We all were green as grass at one time; I know I was as I thought that DP was an outstanding place back in the day.

    A good example of what Dizz is saying:

    Please click my adsense kind of threads - http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blogging/318045-plese-click-my-adsense.html
     
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  19. Maruk

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    I don't think that some of the BHW higher ups care about the quality. (A lot of very good MODS though) They care about volume, it makes the forum more active and thus more valuable when it goes for sale. (Hence the mandatory $100 donor fee which adds more value to BHW)
    Also, please don't tell newbies to use the search function. That is not what BHW wants. They rather have 10 of the same topics started per day then a newbie that finds the answer to his question with the search function.
    They don't want them to use the search function because they may bump old threads. (Must be hard to find a plugin that auto locks threads that have been in-active for a certain amount of time)

    So to summarize:
    Don't try to get more quality here on BHW, it is not in the best interest of BHW.
    Don't tell newbies to use the search function, it is not in the best interest of BHW (you might also get banned)
    All in all, forget about it, you have no saying.
    Source: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/312827-you-lazy-you-crying-baby-asking-spoon-you-abusing-help-read-more.html#post2840543
     
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  20. WizGizmo

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