Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ardley216, Mar 27, 2012.
What Uni are you at? I always wondered about taking a web design degree because I knew I'd pass, but with the internet it's so easy to self teach. Almost seemed pointless?
I dropped out of Uni to pursue business. Might go back one day purely for the experience, however since the fees have soared It's hard to justify.
P.S As for doing a web design business, yup, some clients are terrible, want everythin for nothing and it's so time consuming dealing with them. Never again (unless the money's there!)
Greenwich, love the place, love the lecturers, HATE THE STUDENTS!!!!!!!!!! (some are cool though )
If I could do it again? I would do a business course. Then you will be able to apply that knowledge to your own. Plus you will be learning new things, unlike me.
Just change your major to business, no need to drop out just because you picked the wrong major
you are going to have an easier time getting a job if you have a college degree or are a college student at least.
My advice (having been around a lot longer than most people on this forum) Is that you never know where life will take you, and having a college degree is an excellent backup plan. SEO is fun and great now, but you never know if you might want to do something else, and having at least a basic degree is likely to help you later if you decide to do seomthing else.
Also, a business degree is very relevent to SEO work - there's always something you can learn that will help you out.
Best of luck to you anyway...
Yeah, no real reason to drop out. Based off this logic, I never would have went to college at all. I started with web design before I was even in high school. Coding HTML, CGI, I took all levels of courses for Photoshop and FrontPage.
When I got to college, I had the opportunity to go for web/graphic design; but I thought it would be pointless to a degree. I had already spent the past 5-6 years immersed in website design and to be honest, I really don't think there's much that I would have been able to learn in college. I still believe this.
Also, website design isn't really all that difficult when you break it down. I didn't really see it as a wise choice to spend so much money on studying something that everybody else and their brother was (at the time) inadvertently studying for free.... By configuring MySpace profiles. That was all legitimate HTML and CSS. Once people figured out that setting up the code is not that HARD.. The market would be flooded with them.
And now it is. Of course, you can still make a good living off web design, but it's constantly getting easier and easier to have a website made for cheap. That was another thing I worried about, with places like Quickbooks and GoDaddy launching national advertising campaigns leading consumers to believe that websites are supposed to be $0-10.
So I decided instead to study computer network security. I had a little experience with PC hardware in high school, but had never really attempted to learn anything even close to what I chose. I picked it based on my personal belief that at this time, you cannot outsource that person. If somebody is in charge of securing your company's network, maintaining computers and hardware; you cannot really pay somebody to do that remotely...
If you think you can, here's the scenario: I walk into the building. Unplug the network cable. Your plan is shot.
As a result, I have massively rounded my PC experiences and knowledge. I can do more on a computer than 99% of other people, more proficiently than about 50% of those people. (Unless it comes to website design or network security. Bring it on. But I am not so good at things that I have not dedicated major study to such as programming and coding various languages.)
This also has never stopped me from continuing to learn. You should not look at schooling as something that is going to get in the way of your learning, that idea is ridiculous. Apply for the jobs anyways, but stick to school. Most employers, especially in fields like this, are happy to work with students.. Going to school never got in my way of holding a tech job while I went.
To employers, school is not all about what you learn there. It is a sign of your ethic. If I look at your resume (CV) and see that you dropped out of college after 2 years.. What should that tell me? One thing it tells me (this is not personal, but what these folks will truly think!) is that you do not have the focus and dedication to finish a large task. To a degree it tells me that you are either intimidated by the task or that you are one of those folks who is too smart for their own good, you are too smart to be given this task and feel above it.
I have spent years and years and years and years learning PC related topics. I learn every single day. I have an extensive library covering everything from introduction to PC's, to UI design, to Unix, to websites, programming, networking and back again. I have read them all and I continue to read every day.
You know what my daily tasks usually consist of?
The most basic, boring, bland, seemingly worthless crap that is probably learned on pages 1-10 of those books. But that is what I learned, that most of your time is going to be spent doing homework.. Nonsense that you already know and somebody is asking you to review it over and over and over and over. That's life, bro.
Expand your horizons and do not limit your potential before you even start the game. (change majors. complete the task.)
Wish you the best of luck
If you have a real good knowledge abt SEO, you can make solid even from working in a seo company.
The pay is like $100k a year in most of the U S companies. You can find more better offers too...based on where you're located.
If you drop out of uni to focus on IM, make sure you land a stable job first. I'm currently learning this the hard way!
I love this post, especially the part about the degrees crap, tells you how much of a convenient and successful business model it is to run a university/institute and to advertise it in a way that makes you can't live without a degree, which means big money in the owners' pockets and the others benefiting from the whole thing. And I don't mean that you shouldn't learn/study, I'm just against the whole degree thing being a necessity to get a good-paying regular job.
Best of luck man. I think it would be a fun as hell job, especially if you like it and are good at it.
Who would'nt want to make money doing something they are doing for free right?
It might not be easy to change your mind at this stage... but as others have said, life often gives us curve balls. While a degree is not indicative of the success you will have in life, if you at all see yourself working for someone, it is not a bad investment.
If you work to learn, then work to learn at university.
Someone mentioned "The pay is like $100k a year in most of the U S companies." - I am not sure this is 100% accurate. While the knowledge you have for SEO is a valuable asset to many companies, the positions in SEO vary as does the pay scale.
A degree is not necessary at all.
However, go drop out of college and start thinking very hard now about your answer to the question regarding why you did not finish school.
IMO, no degree looks better than dropping out.. At least with that you can come up with a billion excuses... I was learning on my own, was busy making money, I plan on starting soon, etc. etc.
I do agree, though. Higher education in America is much like our healthcare system. It's all setup with as many middlemen as possible passing money back and forth... It's designed to be as expensive as possible.
I also don't buy into the idea that it's necessary. During school, about 3/4 of the people I met left me wondering "WTF are you doing here? You have no experience in this field. You are not familiar with the very basics."
The smartest tech people are natural. Computers are very strange that way, I just sort of took to them at a young age and I cannot explain how I know 10% of the stuff I do.
I would be interested in a guide on how to get a SEO job offline. I,m looking for a job now.
Straight from "doing it for fun" as a student to $100k a year in a big company?
Unless you were running a proper home business and have a portfolio of businesses who are valuable references, or extremely good connections, then you folks can keep dreaming. Start your own offline SEO company if you want a shot at good money within the first year.
If you really want to drop out then find a job while you are still at uni. Quit once you have a signed contract.
I am guessing you are still a student
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