Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Leith, Aug 16, 2012.
CNN said he is wanted for "Sexual Assault", which if I remember right is that his condom broke during sex. No one ever talks about the broken condom part.
How is going to get out of that building and fly to Ecuador? UK authorities have clearly said that they are going to arrest him as soon as he steps out. Looks like he is going to run Wikileaks from Ecuador embassy now.
The UK authorities will definitely get him as soon as his feet touch outside the Ecuador embassy. I don't know how he's escaping but if he gets sent to the US, I know he's done for.
The UK is a police state. Didn't really expect a threat to the big brothers to leave peacefully.
Pahahah. Sure it is. Oh how I feel harassed at every corner by the Gestapo. It's so hard here, being able to do as I please.
Get a grip. It was the decision of a JUDGE,not the government, to have him extradited to Sweden.
Hahahah, you're funny. Enjoying being monitored all the time? I really can't be arsed digging up some facts for you at the moment but the UK is slowly turning into 1984.
Yes, it was the decision of 3 judges, all meaning the same thing. Nobody's being bought by any government, I mean, no one has a gain in this, right? I mean, I can explain things to you, but I can't understand it for you.
The entire world is slowly turning into 1984, UK is no exception.
YouTube conspiracy theorist here. Slowly turning into 1984? Haha, have you even read the book man..
I'll agree, some civil liberties have been trampled upon under the guise of anti-terrorism, but calling the UK a "police state" is a bit too far. By your definition pretty much every country in the world is a police state.
By casually throwing around "UK is da police state" You're asserting that the UK has some omnipresent menacing police force watching your every move. Simply isn't true.
I suggest you do some traveling and get a taste of what a real authoritarianism feels like. God knows what you label China and N.Korea. Or the American DHS.
This is probably more accurate. Haha, we're all fucked I guess At least we don't have ID cards, yet...
Yeah, tell the people in Syria how bad you got it in the UK. They will have a ton of sympathy for you. Call up Pussy Riot and tell them how hard it is for you.
Fort the record, GB has said that it will give 1 weeks notice, then they will go in and take him out, which in is accordance with their interpretation of international diplomatic law.
All Equador can do is bristle, they are not going to go to war with GB.
The FBI and UK must be furious. Maybe the CIA will send predator drones after him and blame it on terrorism.
There are some situations that you must carefully consider before deciding to throw shit into a fan. Having a couple of different governments trying to nail you is pretty serious.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in when it comes to freedom of speech, but.. there are some "buts"...
The general BUT is that ALL forms of power REACT when they are under attack. (political orientation does not matter right or left they will react using their own instruments against the attacker)
The renown communist method reacts swiftly. Worst case scenario assassination (whether it looks like and accident or not).
The democratic method involves social nullifying, denigration, sensitive accusations which will eventually lead to imprisonment.
Both cases are telling the same tale: unless you are in peril, you should mind your own business, especially if you live in a civilized country.
When I feel oppressed by my government, I watch a documentary about Africa and its inhabitants, and suddenly I feel lucky to live in a civilized country.
Fixed that for you. I have no idea why people hate on "communism." Yes, it doesn't work in reality, yes it's a good way of thinking. Where I'm from we pay ~20-30% taxes, but we get so many advantages from it. The middle path is a decent one.
You're not supposed to be oppressed, regardless of other countries and civilizations.
He is not being extradited because of his expressions of free speech. He is being extradited because 2 women who volunteered to work for wikileaks worked with him and accused him of sexual assault and rape. He is trying to use his "free speech" defense to avoid prosecution for rape, not exposing e-mails.
He is seeking political asylum to avoid prosecution for a crime. Internationally, this protection is for people who will suffer torture or imprisonment for political activities if returned to their own country. Sweden has no intention of torturing him, so his claim of political asylum has no merit.
Unless they pull a Mission Impossible stunt, and have an ambassador dressed up like Assange walk out the front door, while the real Assange quietly slips out through a back entrance. By the time the bobsies figure it out, Julian would be on a private plane to Equador. Why should he stay, to comply with a kangaroo court decision that ordered him to a country to face charges that were never even filed against him?
And the UK is drawing from a domestic law of theirs to justify invading an embassy, not "their interpretation of international law," which a raid would be in clear defiance of. Like any other country, its laws are superceded by international treaties it has entered into. UK signed a 1963 treaty forbidding it from raiding embassies, among other things, so if it carries out its threat it will be a lawless act. So the best plan to sneak Assange out, from a news blog:
Guys, here's what we do:
Smuggle a Guy Fawkes mask into the Ecuadorian Embassy
Get everybody to show up at the embassy wearing Guy Fawkes masks
Laugh hysterically as Julian steps out and is immediately lost in the crowd
I predict he will ultimately fall in the US courts!
What actually happened is that they wanted to have sex with him, only the condom broke. No one seems to be mentioning that's the only "bad" thing he has doen in Sweden.
His political asylym is to avoid prosecution from the US. If he gets delivered to the US he's dead. Sweden is a nice and peaceful country, when not pressured by bigger nations.
Reminds of the bank robber in America who hired a few hundreds people of craigslists to show up outside the bank at a specific time all wearing the same boiler suit and mask (he of course walked out the bank with the money and escaped)
I hope he makes it to Ecuador, he has done so much for free speech its shocking the majority of the public here in the UK would rather read the daily mail gossip section about so called celebrities than pay attention to the important stories taking place.
The sex charges were never filed, and are laughable upon hearing the details (condom breaks, give us a break). We're not making light of rape, just bogus charges that are not following precedent or legal due process. The charges are a pretext to get him u-turned extradited to the US, where based on the clear mistreatment alleged leaker Bradley Manning has already received, Assange will indeed be tortured and imprisoned due to the political impact of Wikileaks disclosures.
Julian Assange. Personally I get the impression he's an egomaniac and a self publicist. That said, he doesn't deserve punishment. He should be able to publish whatever he wants.
The real guy with balls is Bradley Manning. However, he does deserve some sort of punishment. He broke the rules and got caught. Tough luck kiddo.
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