[Journey] Get Rich or Die Trying! My LONG Journey from $0 to $10,000,000/yr on Ebay

Totally agreed. I wouldn’t have gone for this without full transparency regarding sources. Ethical concerns would put a full stop before any legal issues even come into play.
What would be the “affordable” cost I should consider and how to even find someone who’s willing to let me use theirs?
100-200 a month is what I did when started
Can a foreign resident with an ITIN be added as a member or manager of your company? And that ITIN be used instead of the 4 digit ssn?
I don't know, never used ITIN before. Ebay does use a third party to verify your ssn with your name, but I don't know how that system will treat ITIN.
 
100-200 a month is what I did when started

When started? What did you do after? Or you mean the starting price?
Did you use friend/ fam number? Or know where to find those willing to permit this?

I don't know, never used ITIN before. Ebay does use a third party to verify your ssn with your name, but I don't know how that system will treat ITIN.
You just need the photo ID for verification?
If this is the case, my ssn would for sure trigger a review. :( they most likely have my license ID and I only have 1 photo ID.
 
When started? What did you do after? Or you mean the starting price?
Did you use friend/ fam number? Or know where to find those willing to permit this?


You just need the photo ID for verification?
If this is the case, my ssn would for sure trigger a review. :( they most likely have my license ID and I only have 1 photo ID.
Once you paid a few consistently, they will bring their family and friends, since you you can recycle the info, after few, you will have enough to make accounts constantly.

you just need 1 form of ID, passport or driver license, military ID
 
Once you paid a few consistently, they will bring their family and friends, since you you can recycle the info, after few, you will have enough to make accounts constantly.

you just need 1 form of ID, passport or driver license, military ID
And do you need to pay them indefinitely, as long as their information is used for any accounts? Does it matter how many accounts their information is used for? Should I explain to them that it’s for eBay account creation or for my llc manager position and has no impact on their tax situation? I’m asking for advice on the best approach that has worked for you or others, so I can avoid making it sound suspicious. I understand people can be very sensitive about this, as I would be if someone asked me.
 
And do you need to pay them indefinitely, as long as their information is used for any accounts? Does it matter how many accounts their information is used for? Should I explain to them that it’s for eBay account creation or for my llc manager position and has no impact on their tax situation? I’m asking for advice on the best approach that has worked for you or others, so I can avoid making it sound suspicious. I understand people can be very sensitive about this, as I would be if someone asked me.
I do keep paying them for as long as their information is used. If you open the account unde rthei
 
Yes, I have purchased a small factory that is related to my most profitable niche and thus cut out the middle man in the beginning of 2024. This dramatically raise my profit margin from decent ~38% to almost ~50%.
Damn! Good going man.
 
Congrats to you and thanks for sharing your numbers with us. Inspiring to see how much you have progressed in three years while most of us haven't even opened an eBay (or any other) shop yet.

How old are you (if you don't mind answering)? What do you plan on doing once you hit 10 M$ a year?
 
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Congrats to you and thanks for sharing your numbers with us. Inspiring to see how much you have progressed in three years while most of us haven't even opened an eBay (or any other) shop yet.

How old are you (if you don't mind answering)? What do you plan on doing once you hit 10 M$ a year?
I am in my early 40s.

My current plan is to sell the business since I figure by that point, I am probably going to be so sick with ebay. I have discovered many other venues on ebay journey and some of them really intrigued me. I will be using the proceed from the sale to as capital to start these other venues.
 
You will need 3 employees and a very detailed google spreadsheet.

when you ask the buyer to return the item, you are hoping that they never do, and then the case will close in your favor without you refunding the money. If they do return, we will just issue refund, we don't care whether they returned the item or that we have received or not. Since the product cost is insignificant.

1. The best one is thunderbird, unfortunately, the are only available in China. I used to use morelogin, they can handle the basics.
2. You can use just a browser based on window environment.
3. You need 1 browser per ebay account.
4. residential and mobile proxies if they are clean.

- How many computer/mobile devices do you use?

- Regarding using an llc member’s last 4 ssn digits, is it okay to list them as a manager?
- If I add them as a member/manager, should 0% equity/ capital contribution be specified in the operating agreement to avoid tax issues for them? How can I add them without causing any tax concerns for them?
- If an account using one person’s info gets banned, should I stop using their info? Do I need to replace this member with someone new? Or get a whole new llc? Would this mean another llc amendment?
- how many llcs do you have/use?
 
- How many computer/mobile devices do you use?

- Regarding using an llc member’s last 4 ssn digits, is it okay to list them as a manager?
- If I add them as a member/manager, should 0% equity/ capital contribution be specified in the operating agreement to avoid tax issues for them? How can I add them without causing any tax concerns for them?
- If an account using one person’s info gets banned, should I stop using their info? Do I need to replace this member with someone new? Or get a whole new llc? Would this mean another llc amendment?
- how many llcs do you have/use?
- How many computer/mobile devices do you use? - the number of computer is not important, you only need 1. The number of cell phone is not important as well, what you need is the sim cards.

- Regarding using an llc member’s last 4 ssn digits, is it okay to list them as a manager? - You can list them as managers for LLC, but I don't think that matter much with ebay.
- If I add them as a member/manager, should 0% equity/ capital contribution be specified in the operating agreement to avoid tax issues for them? How can I add them without causing any tax concerns for them? - the better way is just not to add them, they don't need to have capital or equity to have tax consequences, if you are claiming them as manager, then it implies that they receive W2, if they do receive W2, they need to file for taxes.
- If an account using one person’s info gets banned, should I stop using their info? Do I need to replace this member with someone new? Or get a whole new llc? Would this mean another llc amendment? - you can recycle information after a certain wait period after the account is banned.
- how many llcs do you have/use? - more than 10 corporations. I don't use LLC anymore, no reason in particular.
 
- How many computer/mobile devices do you use? - the number of computer is not important, you only need 1. The number of cell phone is not important as well, what you need is the sim cards.
Even for computers? For computers, it just needs to be able to use different browsers per account. Correct?

Different SIM cards, you mean different SIM cards w different phone numbers? Or I can just use old mobile devices that do use different SIM cards?

- Regarding using an llc member’s last 4 ssn digits, is it okay to list them as a manager? - You can list them as managers for LLC, but I don't think that matter much with ebay.
You mean I can use the manager’s info associated with the llc? Not the member’s?

- If I add them as a member/manager, should 0% equity/ capital contribution be specified in the operating agreement to avoid tax issues for them? How can I add them without causing any tax concerns for them? - the better way is just not to add them, they don't need to have capital or equity to have tax consequences, if you are claiming them as manager, then it implies that they receive W2, if they do receive W2, they need to file for taxes.

I'm a bit confused. The only reason I've been looking to add someone to my LLC is so I can use their last four digits of SSN, as you mentioned, because the eBay accounts registered under my info have been banned.

- If an account using one person’s info gets banned, should I stop using their info? Do I need to replace this member with someone new? Or get a whole new llc? Would this mean another llc amendment? - you can recycle information after a certain wait period after the account is banned.

You mean I can even use my info again as well? I know you mentioned you aren’t sure about the ban period, but would there be any updates?

- how many llcs do you have/use? - more than 10 corporations. I don't use LLC anymore, no reason in particular.
Did you have to hire accountants for this? You mentioned 3 employees. What tasks do you need them for if you don’t mind me asking? I’m just curious.
 
Even for computers? For computers, it just needs to be able to use different browsers per account. Correct?

Different SIM cards, you mean different SIM cards w different phone numbers? Or I can just use old mobile devices that do use different SIM cards?


You mean I can use the manager’s info associated with the llc? Not the member’s?



I'm a bit confused. The only reason I've been looking to add someone to my LLC is so I can use their last four digits of SSN, as you mentioned, because the eBay accounts registered under my info have been banned.



You mean I can even use my info again as well? I know you mentioned you aren’t sure about the ban period, but would there be any updates?


Did you have to hire accountants for this? You mentioned 3 employees. What tasks do you need them for if you don’t mind me asking? I’m just curious.
You need different phone numbers, and that means different sim cards.

You can register the account under your info, adding a manager does not help/hurt the chances of new account being able to survive or not.

as far as I have experienced, you can recycle info after some waiting period.

I need 3 employees to manage my ebay farm, I have alot more than that to run the operation. My employees are all in china and paid by cash, we don't even file for taxes in china.
 
You need different phone numbers, and that means different sim cards.

You can register the account under your info, adding a manager does not help/hurt the chances of new account being able to survive or not.

as far as I have experienced, you can recycle info after some waiting period.

I need 3 employees to manage my ebay farm, I have alot more than that to run the operation. My employees are all in china and paid by cash, we don't even file for taxes in china.

I found some sites that provide non voip phone numbers. Would you recommend this route if it’s just different phone numbers that matters?

I see. So, there's no benefit to adding a manager. I'm still a bit confused because, based on previous posts, my understanding was that since my info is still in the “ban period,” I could add another member to my llc to use their last four ssn, and they wouldn't need to worry about taxes since I’d be reporting 100% of the profits. (I can’t find that post!) But now I’m hearing that adding another member means they’ll get a w2, which does require tax reports, so I better not add anyone. Could you clarify this? I know I might be overthinking, but I'm worried that if this doesn't go well and I get into trouble, this llc will be useless for eBay account creation, and that’s too much to lose.

Are you located in China, with eBay in the US market? That's awesome. Do you still need to pay US taxes? I read from one of your prev posts that you recommend getting us accounts w us credentials. You consider us accounts to work the best? I was wondering if all my concerns would reset if I used different markets like the UK for ex.
 
I found some sites that provide non voip phone numbers. Would you recommend this route if it’s just different phone numbers that matters?

I see. So, there's no benefit to adding a manager. I'm still a bit confused because, based on previous posts, my understanding was that since my info is still in the “ban period,” I could add another member to my llc to use their last four ssn, and they wouldn't need to worry about taxes since I’d be reporting 100% of the profits. (I can’t find that post!) But now I’m hearing that adding another member means they’ll get a w2, which does require tax reports, so I better not add anyone. Could you clarify this? I know I might be overthinking, but I'm worried that if this doesn't go well and I get into trouble, this llc will be useless for eBay account creation, and that’s too much to lose.

Are you located in China, with eBay in the US market? That's awesome. Do you still need to pay US taxes? I read from one of your prev posts that you recommend getting us accounts w us credentials. You consider us accounts to work the best? I was wondering if all my concerns would reset if I used different markets like the UK for ex.
VOIP will not work well, those are flagged.

ebay account holder does not need to be the same as the LLC owner.

Yes I still pay US taxes since all my companies are US based. US accounts are the best, Chinese accounts have a much higher chance of getting banned unless your accounts are opened by one of those ebay managers here in China. Things works very differently in the two counties even though the platform is the same.
 
VOIP will not work well, those are flagged.

ebay account holder does not need to be the same as the LLC owner.

Yes I still pay US taxes since all my companies are US based. US accounts are the best, Chinese accounts have a much higher chance of getting banned unless your accounts are opened by one of those ebay managers here in China. Things works very differently in the two counties even though the platform is the same.

- phone numbers: would it work as long as they aren't voip? for example, tello or some other services offer regular, non-voip numbers you can use virtually without devices. would these work?
- bank accounts: i have relay biz checking accounts. would these work?
- photo id: you mentioned 1 photo id for verification. i know for personal accounts, you need a photo id. is this the case for biz accounts too?
- account type: you mentioned biz account creation. did you mean to open as an individual account first, warm it up, then convert it to biz? or open as business straight up?
- ein/ssn: i'm still a bit hung up on this. could you please advise further? so, the same ein can be used multiple times according to your comment. do you need to provide both ssn and ein?
- you can use 4 digits of the member's ssn when opening an account—previously banned member's ssn doesn't matter. i get the part about how 4 digits of the ssn won't be the reason for a ban. do you need to provide the full 9 digits of the ein?
- i'm curious to know: if the full 9 digits of the ein are provided and can be used to create multiple accounts, like 100, wouldn't this be used to detect linked accounts? what's the safe way to go about this?
- wouldn't the id number submitted during photo id verification also be identifiable information that can be used to track them down?
 
- phone numbers: would it work as long as they aren't voip? for example, tello or some other services offer regular, non-voip numbers you can use virtually without devices. would these work?
- bank accounts: i have relay biz checking accounts. would these work?
- photo id: you mentioned 1 photo id for verification. i know for personal accounts, you need a photo id. is this the case for biz accounts too?
- account type: you mentioned biz account creation. did you mean to open as an individual account first, warm it up, then convert it to biz? or open as business straight up?
- ein/ssn: i'm still a bit hung up on this. could you please advise further? so, the same ein can be used multiple times according to your comment. do you need to provide both ssn and ein?
- you can use 4 digits of the member's ssn when opening an account—previously banned member's ssn doesn't matter. i get the part about how 4 digits of the ssn won't be the reason for a ban. do you need to provide the full 9 digits of the ein?
- i'm curious to know: if the full 9 digits of the ein are provided and can be used to create multiple accounts, like 100, wouldn't this be used to detect linked accounts? what's the safe way to go about this?
- wouldn't the id number submitted during photo id verification also be identifiable information that can be used to track them down?
as long as the phone number is not voip or those virutal number, you will be fine.
all formal business accounts work
correct, you still need ID for account holder verification down the road
I normally would open it as a buyer only account, then upgrade it to business account
ein can be used multiple times, ebay does not track ssn as well. you do not need to verify ssn or ein, since they already internally verify within the first few days of account opening, if they don't match for any reason, your account will be flagged.
based on my experience, they don't seem to keep your ein and use it for linked accounts.
they do not keep track of driver license ID

If ebay REALLY wants to ban you because you were already banned before, there is absolutely no way that you can do to avoid it. They are only banning accounts with a half hearted effort. Only lazy people who just do whatever saves them time will get banned, if you are a bit cautious, not getting your accounts ban is very easy.

The hard part is never the account opening part, it is the fulfillment and profitability part that is very difficult.
 
as long as the phone number is not voip or those virutal number, you will be fine.
all formal business accounts work
correct, you still need ID for account holder verification down the road
I normally would open it as a buyer only account, then upgrade it to business account
ein can be used multiple times, ebay does not track ssn as well. you do not need to verify ssn or ein, since they already internally verify within the first few days of account opening, if they don't match for any reason, your account will be flagged.
based on my experience, they don't seem to keep your ein and use it for linked accounts.
they do not keep track of driver license ID

If ebay REALLY wants to ban you because you were already banned before, there is absolutely no way that you can do to avoid it. They are only banning accounts with a half hearted effort. Only lazy people who just do whatever saves them time will get banned, if you are a bit cautious, not getting your accounts ban is very easy.

The hard part is never the account opening part, it is the fulfillment and profitability part that is very difficult.


Thanks so much! It’s pretty nerve-wracking for me as the clock is ticking down fast to the deadline I’ve set in my head. Like I said, if things go south with my llc—pretty much the last usable form of my identity—I’ll be crushed. That being said, I truly appreciate all your advice. I’m pushing forward with the info, wisdom, and encouragement you’ve shared. Seriously, thank you.

Quick question—so, I should start with a personal accounts first, correct? How long should I wait before switching them to a business account with the ein? Also, how many accounts do you recommend starting with? 5? 10? 20?

I’ve got bank accounts, phone numbers, antidetect, and residential proxies now. Is there anything else you’d advise on?
 
Thanks so much! It’s pretty nerve-wracking for me as the clock is ticking down fast to the deadline I’ve set in my head. Like I said, if things go south with my llc—pretty much the last usable form of my identity—I’ll be crushed. That being said, I truly appreciate all your advice. I’m pushing forward with the info, wisdom, and encouragement you’ve shared. Seriously, thank you.

Quick question—so, I should start with a personal accounts first, correct? How long should I wait before switching them to a business account with the ein? Also, how many accounts do you recommend starting with? 5? 10? 20?

I’ve got bank accounts, phone numbers, antidetect, and residential proxies now. Is there anything else you’d advise on?
I think I mentioned this before, there seems to be a waiting period, meaning that you can't recycle your info within a certain period after it has been used. So if you only have one set of info, your account opening speed would be slow.
 
I think I mentioned this before, there seems to be a waiting period, meaning that you can't recycle your info within a certain period after it has been used. So if you only have one set of info, your account opening speed would be slow.
For phone numbers, should I get those that I’ll keep forever or can I just get temporary numbers (non-voip)?
 
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