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Joke, or, maybe fail ?! :FACEPALM:

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by lakim0, Mar 23, 2013.

  1. lakim0

    lakim0 BANNED BANNED

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    Today, I got a phone call from my friend :

    - Hey, I've got an amazing news, I found a company that needs internet marketer, they said they'll pay good money, you're doing this stuff, so try and apply.

    - huuh, I'm not really interested.

    - give it a shot, what if they pay $5k+ monthly ?

    - alright, if we have a deal, you'll get 10% as a gift.

    I sent an email saying that I was interested about the salary and the time I'll have to spend on it.

    I got a call from an old man :D

    Here comes the deal : I had to create 500 web 2.0 with 500 unique articles, add them to free directories, link the money site, add news, publish pages daily, exchange links with relevant sites, create polls, manage sales, take care of over 100 facebook pages and some more. I had to repeat this every month, control their business in other words.

    You know how much they offered ? - No, you're wrong.

    It was $500 with perspective that it would become $600 in a few months.

    Well, I still remember how to use "Block & also remove from contacts" button, LOL!

    What do I call it ?! Fail, joke, retard or fuckin idiot, or all together ?!

    I wasn't going to agree anyway coz I'm doing fine with IM and don't need any 9-5 job.

    Just to show you how childish and poor look people have at IM these days. (My country)

    They think if you're sitting in front of PC, you're not doing a serious job.
     
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  2. somebodysomewhere

    somebodysomewhere Junior Member

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    We are moving to a global economy, no doubt about it. Technology and education pay, let everyone else break their backs. :) $600 is a ton of money in some parts of the world though, so I don't know that I can say it's an insult. Some people are just ignorant about business and value.
     
  3. lakim0

    lakim0 BANNED BANNED

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    It's a normal salary here, but I make much more with IM. That kind of work is unbelievably hard for one person, if I spent that much on my own projects, I'd make extra $10k monthly :D
     
  4. cricket1

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    Oh, wow! That sounds like a lot of work!
    While $500 is not as little as you make it sound, it certainly is not worth it knowing what the employer may make out of it.
     
  5. lakim0

    lakim0 BANNED BANNED

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    I didn't even post a full list, they wanted me to rule their business and $500 monthly ?

    Bitch please.
     
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  6. Jonny Quick

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    My contribution to this thread is to take it one step further, and describe the kind of low-balling chiseler mentioned in the 1st post who makes you a low-ball offer like that, and then acts like you are supposed to be fucking GRATEFUL to them for their low-ball offer.

    These fuckers walk around and say stuff like "Well, I don't know what his problem was, after all I GAVE HIM A JOB." etc... They manage to be surprised and even a little bit hurt when one of their workers/employees leaves them for better opportunities.

    The thing that bothers me is that they actually BELIEVE it, that they are somehow doing a person a favor by paying them sub-standard rates with super-high expectations. Here's how they do it:

    They denigrate the employee. While most people might make the industry standard of "X", this particular employee has some kind of flaw, that makes paying them "1/2 X" a really good deal. Examples of this thinking might look like this:

    1) "Well, they live in a 3rd world country where the economy is really bad, so they are lucky to have any kind of job at all.
    2) "She's a single mother, and doesn't have the ability to work full time, so she should be grateful that I've given her such flexible hours.
    3) "He's mentally deficient, has behavioral problems, physically handicapped or has a criminal history, and most people wouldn't even give him a chance. So he should be grateful that I'm willing to have him work for me.

    It's predatory. They use the perceived weakness of their employee as a means of justifying a low rate, WITH the notion that they should also be grateful, in addition to being underpaid. My epiphany happened slowly, but eventually one day I realized that these well-dress and wealthy people with nice cars and big houses were paying me to do things that they COULD NOT do. I then realized that they achieved that wealth by doing things like underpaying and manipulating people into accepting 2nd rate, 2nd class status while simultaneously demanding 1st rate work.

    There's nothing to be done with these people. They are what they are, and they will do it to anyone. I know one guy, a professional house flipper, that used his girlfriend for his Realtor and he paid her about 1/3 the rate for managing his deals. One day, he had an emergency and needed a house cleaned really fast, so he got her and her mother to go to a house within an hour of a phone call and spend the day cleaning. He paid them both about $7.00 an hour. AND he was fucking her.

    That was the day that I terminated my relationship with him, because I realized that there was NO WAY anyone associated with that guy was ever going to succeed. I haven't the time to get into it now, but I have an essay yet to be written titled "Intangible Wealth". My point here is to get as far away from these vampiric predators, and associated yourself only with healthy, successful people that do not require other people to fail so that they may succeed.
     
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  7. WhitePassion

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    Honestly I know what you feel, don't take these too seriously as they simply lack knowledge about the matter.
    I offer a monthly SEO service where I personally work on each clients site individually and my prices aren't too outrageous, but every few months or so I get someone who acts interested and when they hear $xxx a month, they say that "some dude" ranked their previous site in a much harder niche for $40... THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE ? -.-

    It's not an enjoyable feeling, sort of disrespecting for the work we do but I guess that's life, just keep on doing your thing and banking hard ;)
     
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  8. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @Jonny Quick

    The job of a seller is to find the customer who is willing to pay the bigger price. The job of the customer is to find the seller who will sell for the lesser price. Neither the seller not the buyer will get into a transaction if they can find better.

    @WhitePassion

    These are classic low ballers, trying to squeeze down your margins. Never budge on the price but offer extras (that cost you nothing ;))
     
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  9. favorshows

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    I really like what you are saying, but I can't agree on 100% with the 3 points you pointed out.
    You can't assume that each business owner is making x,xxx per month and is screwing people over with lower pay just because he can. The truth is that in a lot of contries(2nd and 3rd world obviously), quite often the business owners profit is less(or really close) then some of their employees pay.

    Also the story about the guy you knew was just "horrifying". I can't imagen asking my girlfriend, close friend or family member to do something or in his case do him a huge favor and then to pay the minimum wage. I seriously wouldn't be able to sleep.
     
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  10. lakim0

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    You've mentioned really interesting things, +rep from me.

    I would never think this thread would turn into something like this.

    @Jonny you have a right point, but I can't disagree with jazzc either.

    It's all natural, hiring someone and pay a lower salary, but the reason I opened this thread is to show you what's happening in my country. People are dead programmed here, 99% work for government and can't imagine running their own business.
     
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    for web development I face a lot of the same thing, someone comes to me, asks for a website, I give them a price, and they are shocked asking why some places offer free websites and how their site would cost so much extra... (when they expect user logins, online scheduling etc) Then they say that they would have the perfect site for a portfolio so I should help them at no cost... I basically just need to tell them that no one is going to work for free and that they can screw off... Some people do not understand the internet, and have no place being on it... It is hard being in a field that less then 10% of the population understands, and even less know how it works.
     
  12. Jonny Quick

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    All of that ignores intangible value, and intangible wealth. The house flipper thought like you do, which is why he is forever condemned to be a 2-dollar chisler surrounded by people that resent him, and will leave him the instant they find a better offer, and have absolutely no concern for his future success, in fact they would find his failure to be a bit satisfying.
     
  13. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Wealth gets it value from the consumer choices, therefore there 's no such thing as intangible wealth.

    And is this supposed to say anything at all? So, if I say that I know someone who 's a jerk and dirt poor and happens to think like you, does that make for any sort of argument? Is this the road you want the talk to go down?
     
  14. Mr Stark

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    Neither a joke or fail, but average wage for grunt work like that. Even better than what some VA's and outsourcers get.
     
  15. Jonny Quick

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    The word "consumer" is a mass-media created bit of corporate propaganda. I'm surprised to see you using the world.

    Your "goodwill" balance seems to be a bit low right now, so I'm going to let your misconceptions remain, and your querulous questions go unanswered unanswered. Perhaps if someone that has more goodwill wealth asks the questions, and in a more pleasant way, I might answer them.