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John Reese Deleted His Twitter Account With 25,000 Followers! Your Take on This?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by peter2002, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. peter2002

    peter2002 Senior Member

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    @Mod: I decided to open thread here because it's about the money making aspect of using Twitter.

    I got an interesting email from John Reese about that he deleted his Twitter account and why. I think it's highly interesting. Here's what he wrote:

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    As expected, there has been a lot
    of discussion on Twitter, blogs, and
    discussion forums since I made the
    announcement last night that I had
    deleted my Twitter account with
    25,000 followers.

    Some people agreed with my
    decision and had been feeling the
    same way about Twitter while others
    thought I was crazy.

    I've seen many people ask...

    "Is Twitter Dying?"

    No, I don't believe Twitter is dying.

    Could Twitter completely go away
    or be replaced in the near future?

    YES. Of course it could. That's the
    nature of the Internet. Just look at
    MySpace. No one ever thought
    another social network would top
    MySpace.

    You can also look at Internet history.
    Friendster came before MySpace.
    Hotmail before Gmail. ICQ before
    Skype.

    I think Twitter will be around for awhile.
    HOWEVER...

    I do think it's not the marketing channel
    that many believe it to be. The concept
    behind Twitter is a strong one. The
    marketing and relationship opportunities
    (at least on paper) look fantastic.

    There's only one problem that no one
    seems to ever talk about...

    Many tweets are never even seen by
    people "following" that person.

    Either their Twitter stream is too full
    with the posts of other users they
    follow, or they don't login often enough
    to catch tweets before they get pushed
    "down the list."

    Very few Twitter users actually go
    and click on a username and read
    every single tweet they make. That's
    not the nature of how Twitter works.
    It's all about the timeline and flow of
    tweets from people being followed.

    I do think Twitter can be an effective
    SYNDICATION channel to auto-post
    links to your new blog posts or other
    activity. Even if just a small percentage
    of people following you catch those
    URLs and you get 'some' traffic it
    can be worth it -- especially if you
    automate the posting like many
    are doing.

    But, overall, I personally feel that
    Twitter is a time and focus vampire.
    The ROI from Twitter just isn't
    worth the time many people put
    into it with spending hours of time
    interacting with people.

    I would like to make this CHALLENGE
    to you...

    If you're using Twitter much at all, stop
    using Twitter for one week. Don't login
    or check your account or stream or
    anything.

    Spend the next week using the time
    you would use on Twitter to setup some
    new PPC campaigns, test some Facebook
    Ads, write some articles or blog posts,
    or make an offer to your email list.

    I guarantee you that you will make
    far more money during this week not
    using Twitter than if you were still spending
    your time on it. And that's the point.

    What I'm about to say is going to piss off
    a lot of people... and that's okay.... because
    my 'job' is to help you grow your business
    and make more money, and sometimes
    you need to hear advice that has only
    that in mind...

    Social Media has in many ways become
    ONE BIG EGO COMPETITION.

    People feel important because they have "x"
    number of followers on Twitter or friends
    on this site or connections on another.

    It's human nature to WANT TO BE HEARD.
    Everyone wants to contribute and have people
    listen to them. And there's nothing wrong with
    that.

    The problem with Social Media is that too
    many people are getting caught up in it
    (at least when it comes to business)
    and are losing touch with WHY they feel
    they are using it in the first place -- to
    make more money.

    Want to entertain yourself and make
    new online friends and spend hours of
    your time chatting all day? Then by
    all means, enjoy Social Media because
    it's the perfect outlet for that stuff.

    But when it comes to business, and for
    making money, it's about the FUNDAMENTAL
    things that make business (especially
    online) work...

    - Serving a target market.
    - Providing value to that market to
    solve their problems.
    - Lead generation.
    - Building a list of prospects and
    customers in that market so you can
    follow-up, strengthen your relationship
    with them, and also make offers that
    generate revenue for you.

    That's it. That's what generates
    millions of dollars.

    Now Social Media certainly can fall
    into some of those areas. But for every
    minute you spend on using one site
    or tactic, you're taking away from using
    something else. So you need to make
    sure you keep ROI in mind.

    I sound like I'm saying all Social Media
    is worthless -- or that's certainly something
    people are going to try and say I'm implying.

    I'm not. Not at all.

    What I am saying is that many aspects
    of Social Media are completely overrated
    and time would be better spent on other
    areas of marketing -- depending on the
    business, of course.

    As I said, Social Media has become a
    game of EGOs. I know, because I got
    caught up in the same game and I'm
    able to admit it.

    The Ego game can be fun for many
    and make people feel good (at least
    temporarily) but it's not going to pay
    the electric bill.

    Something for you to really think about.
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    What's your take on this? Is he right or wrong?
     
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  2. mickeyppp

    mickeyppp Guest

    OMG, OMG, OMG John Reese has deleted his Twitter that's absolutely freaking news of the day. i must have a smoke now i'm so nervous about this....
     
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  3. peter2002

    peter2002 Senior Member

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    Listen, "funny" guy. The point of my thread is to hear your take on this in regards of the money making aspect of using Twitter and not for you to inflate your post count with this useless, sarcastic post.
     
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  4. captchadreams

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    I agree with him honestly.
     
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    peter2002 Senior Member

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    This is my opinion, too. I think from a marketing/money making point of view Twitter is not worth all the efforts.
     
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    yeah.. especially the unspoken fact.. if you have just 2 followers that tweet often.. you miss so many tweets from other people. I never used twitter for money and had about 20 people I followed.. and this one person tweeted like 3 times an hour.. and I hardly saw anyone elses tweets.
     
  7. senso851

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    Well you have the power of choice.
    It may be profitable for some but for the rest not too successfull.
    I've tried Twitter a bit and got boored,not worth my time but there are some nice methods to earn cash via it.
    BTW.Nice signature peter.
     
  8. carsonrathi

    carsonrathi Senior Member

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    Yup i thinks same, Twitter is HYPE, even some time i think that it's twitter itself which spread these hypes.

    The only people making money from twitter are software developers who are making software around it like humming bird.

    Hack, i don't even have twitter account.

    That just what i feel

    and guys, read it few more times as John is completely correct here:

    - Serving a target market.
    - Providing value to that market to
    solve their problems.
    - Lead generation.
    - Building a list of prospects and
    customers in that market so you can
    follow-up, strengthen your relationship
    with them, and also make offers that
    generate revenue for you.

    That's it. That's what generates
    millions of dollars.


    Thanks.
     
  9. jonzep

    jonzep Newbie

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    He is not letting go of his facebook account! That says a lot.
     
  10. mickeyppp

    mickeyppp Guest

    listen, read your thread title again. does it look anything what you said now? nope.
     
  11. nvcowboy

    nvcowboy Newbie

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    Wow, I must be like John Reese Senior 'cause I dumped Twitter months ago...me thinks it a time waster.
     
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    Knoxgates Supreme Member

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    That's the exact reason i never visited twitter. It's completely waste of time.
    It's just a hype "John doe is using twitter" why not me....
     
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    Twitter is just one of the many channels I use to drive traffic to my sites.

    I agree with John that the ROI is too low....when you're doing it all manually and whitehat!

    To get a decent ROI you have to automate the use of Twitter.
    My Twitter campaigns are all automated and the only time involved is writing some stuff now and then.
    But the same goes for bookmarking, social media, commenting, all automated but not on auto-pilot...
     
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    john has made a great point. Twitter is only useful if you serve the target audience
     
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    LOL "deleted the account" my ass... he probably just changed the username
     
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  16. IMGold

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    One man's meal is another's poison.... so the saying goes....

    It doesn't matter what JR said and done and he is not to be taken too seriously too. After all, he's an internet marketer and he may just use this to get back in the limelight which could pave the way for his launching of something new.

    If it works for you, it's a worthwhile channel to use and capitalized. If not, try something else.

    Remember, this is Blackhat territory and not to worship or promote any so-called "successful" internet marketers/gurus.

    Whatever actions these well-known marketers took, just take it with a pinch of salt.
     
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    He made a lot of good points there, no question...
     
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    John's point make a lot of sense however, maybe just maybe, he doesn't know how to make it a better ROI?(for HIM)

    Some might consider him the "All Knowing One" but, that could be incorrect.
    Example, The Art of Marketing seminar was just in Toronto.

    Seth Godin was one of several speakers there. The event was reported to be insanely valuable.
    An associate had been a constant Tweeter and NEVER pushes selling, just networking, pointing to his blog,etc.

    He ended up getting face time with Gary Vaynerchuk, Seth Godin responds to his emails AND his blog was shown at the event and Seth praised him.

    No direct in you pocket now resulted but, he garnered some valuable "buzz" that Could certainly endup getting him some clients.

    Directly due to his Tweeting he also got several free tickets to the event which I believe were around $400 each, contacts with some big movers and shakers too that could pay off down the road.

    Maybe Reese doing Tweeting is NOT a good use of his time but, he could higher it out.
    I'm not doing anything on Twitter myself just using it as a quick link to associates.
    Better than email, or chats I find.So, I find it useful.
    Peace,
    JB
     
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  19. roulette

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    I could show you 20 screenshots of marketing blogs that are fueled mainly by Twitter traffic. Each to their own I suppose.

    I understand though that out of every 4000 followers probably only 80 will see your tweet due to the nature of the "following your followers" cult.
     
  20. peter2002

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    @IMGold

    You might be right. Maybe he's going to launch an alternative to twitter soon. We'll know soon enough.