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jobless soon - can I really live off the internet?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by simey69, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. simey69

    simey69 Regular Member

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    Hiya,

    Just wanted to grab a few peoples thoughts if I may? I'm in a position where I'll be unemployed within 2 months.
    I'm not moaning about my situation nor looking for miracles.. just gathering a few opinions.

    I've got a few options I'm working on, a few short bits of contract work, nothing that makes me feel safe for the future.
    I but need to generate other ways to bring in the cash.

    I have quite low level of income from adsense, epn, ebay sales and amazon sales.
    I've had no luck with clickbank at all, maybe just doing it all wrong, but failed totally!
    I'm good at coding of all sorts, but mostly work in php at the minute.
    I have a number of domains covering various markets and niches
    oh, and I have no cash to invest, only time and effort.

    Being employed, I'd been lazy in putting big effort into web stuff, but things have to change.
    My first intention is to build up the adsense and epn by re-working the domains and getting traffic.
    I'm going for wp on some - some with manual re-written content, others will be autoblogs.
    I'm approved on a number of aff networks, so intend to load the site content with that too.

    I've considered EW'ing too, but have no real experience there, so not sure how to kick that off properly.

    Any thoughts appreciated, specially to save me trying pointless methods.

    Thanks all,
    Si
     
  2. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

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    Find an offline job that pays your bills. In your off hours, develop the sites that you have and start earning some money. Unfortunately, time and effort don't pay the bills.
     
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    Jcsarokin Power Member

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    This is going an honest reply.

    I believe that if your going to make a living from the internet, you really need to know what your doing. If you know 99% of what to do, its usually that 1% that is stopping you from making $$.

    Sadly, the only way to get that extra 1% is to actually do it. Its sort of a catch 22 situation. Sometimes people get it right off the bat, but its rare.

    I'd say start with some cpa ( if you want longterm income, do whitehat, blackhat you could be making 1k one day, and then be banned the next, its not very stable.) You wont make a substantial amount of money til you realise what exactly you are doing and figure out that 1% that you cant really be taught.
     
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  4. 2Cent

    2Cent Junior Member

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    You need to have a really good foundation before you go into IM full-time..
     
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    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    I think that one of the keys to making good money on the web is concentrating on
    one area at at time. there are many different ways to earn a substantial income but
    if you spread yourself too thin you're not doing your projects justice. Find your most
    profitable area and work on it, fine tune it, tweak it untill you see your earnings rise
    and then look at ways to automate that so you can move on to another project.
    I'm not going to tell you to do ewhoreing or CPA only you will know what you are
    good at.
    Having the dicipline to do your work is another big factor. It's very easy to get side
    tracked when working from home, getting up late MTV on the tele ect. You have to
    treat it like a business. I used to keep a diary of jobs to do for the day but now I use
    "The Action Machine" http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/member-downloads/121128-get-action-machine-stop-procrastinating-get-great-tool.html
    and my productivity has shot up. I get up at 6.30 am put bloomberg on
    and start work at 7am I get everything I want to for the day done by
    about 1pm so that leaves the rest of the day for research and testing.
    I'll still be at the computer until late in the evening but life's good so
    it's one decision I'll never regret.
     
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  6. simey69

    simey69 Regular Member

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    Cool - that's exactly what I'm after, thanks.

    That pretty much confirms my thoughts.

    I perhaps didn't explain myself too well, sorry..
    I don't have the idea of being jobless and hoping to find gold on the net, I know many do, I'm not that crazy tho.

    I will be doing offline work, probably 80-90%, but that work fluctuates and chasing the payments causes low cash periods.

    I was bouncing ideas about regarding getting some secondary income.
    I can see that this could be possible, with time and effort, just getting an idea of which avenue to pursue and mostly which to avoid.

    Thanks,
    Si
     
  7. blackma

    blackma Power Member

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    Well simey,

    You could ask yourself the question 'Is it possible to live off the internet?'

    You could answer yourself two things.

    1. It's possible.

    2. It's not possible.

    Both are correct answers.
     
  8. simey69

    simey69 Regular Member

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    Thankfully, my current job is part home based and I've worked that way for years, so don't suffer that - I've seen that destroy peoples own business attempts too tho.

    I do have a few good niches, that i've tuned over the years - pay well, but seasonal, so have just a spike of income, this year dreadful though due to people not spending as well.

    I suppose I was really curious what people would say about the adsense/epn ideas... on the sites that I've put effort in, gained traffic and tuned content, they seem to work sweetly at passive income, pretty much as I've read some autobloggers do, my thought was of rinse and repeat of that method, with the new extra time I'll have, and maybe generate a modest cash stream.

    Thanks
    Si
     
  9. Realign02

    Realign02 Regular Member

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    You may want to look into Article Marketing. It's free and can make you nice money. The downside is it does take a while to progress. Will take at least a month before you start seeing good money come in.

    Do a search on the forum on how some people are banking w/ articles.
     
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    This is all I've been doing for many years, despite of having other offline jobs for a short periods of time I always came back to IM. This September I've decided to quit university on my final year to concentrate on IM full time. I've set new revenue records 5 times between now and September.

    The problem is, you need to do something unique in order to make some real money. Nobody is going to teach you how to do that. Most methods you will see being shared in public simply won't do the job.

    If you are new to IM the chances are you won't be able to live off IM. Don't get me wrong, some people still do but its either because they are extremely hard working or determined, lucky or can think of unique ideas.
     
  11. simey69

    simey69 Regular Member

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    Thanks for the replies,

    Thankfully, I seem to be doing the right things with the niches I've chosen, I've just not put the time in before now.

    To be honest, I wouldn't expect anyone too - nor would really want them too, as I think I said earlier, really gathering opinions to confirm my own thoughts and expectations.

    I know, either totally exploited or non-starters.

    I'm off to pursue my plan, might even journal it as a list of success/failures and financial returns... might be a help to others one day..


    One thing that still gets me, I have had totally no success with CB stuff, all sorts, all methods, sometimes get clicks, never ever an order... might just be me or my chosen niches...

    Thanks again,
    Si
     
  12. DrJekyll

    DrJekyll Senior Member Premium Member

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    For full time income i disagree with concentrating on 1 thing.

    If epn decides to cancel your account ooops your f**ked

    same with adsense.

    creating websites and getting traffic, if you can do that, you can alwasy make money by flipping, or using the traffic with cpa epn, or adsense.

    there are always services you can do to bring in cash when things slim a bit. linkbuilding, articles etc.

    as long as you can stay focused.
     
  13. squelsh

    squelsh Regular Member

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    Get another job and work on im in your spare time. If you're not making decent money now, why would it suddenly all turn around as soon as you're unemployed? seriously, don't risk it - even if you're just working in a bar or stacking shelves it's a paycheck