Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Nordajgt, Mar 12, 2012.
You want to suppress freedom of speech on the internet?
The guy broke the law and is facing the consequences, no one is disputing that. Some disagree with some laws on the books and the fact that a 19 year old is considered a pedophile for sleeping with with a 15 year old is one law that some people think is outrageous. If they're 17 and 13 it's fine but 19 and 15, that's illegal. If you don't like it, don't become a fan.
19 and 15 - and 19 and 13 are totally different in my opinion.
Not to mention he was a staff member.
To each their own.
You didn't mention it was a staff member and it would be legal in some states as the age gap isn't too extreme. Also, LBrown was saying that it was 13 and 17 or 15 and 19, so not specifically that it's 4 years difference but that people made a stink because he's over 18.
For me it's purely a freedom of speech thing. You want to take down their page because you disagree with their what they're saying. You don't want them to have the right to say it on Facebook because you disagree with it and think it is wrong. I'm not supporting the guy in jail or anything, I'm just not supporting you wanting to take down his page.
17/13, 19/15. Do read before replying.
He isn't a pedophile,as the girl was 15 and had already hit puberty. He is a ephebophile.
The page is NOT about Pedophilia or a Pedophile or anything like that. Pedophilia is sexual interest in prepubescent children. These girls were 14/15 and you would be hard-pressed to find a girl who hasn't hit puberty by age 13 these days with all the extra hormones in our food/milk etc.
The guy had sex with girls under the legal age of consent for his area, nobody is doubting this. It also seems he was in a position of trust or authority, which where I come from makes it very cut and dry you can't have sex with someone under 18 unless you are married to them if you are in a position of trust or authority. So we know he broke the law, but do his actions deserve the rest of his life ruined? His family and friends hope not. Let them speak their minds.
I don't know the circumstances of his exact case, but I do know that his actions do not qualify him as a Pedophile. Just the fact that you think he is a Pedophile is the main reason people are trying to defend him. I will try to keep opinion out of this thread, and stick to facts, because the thread will go to hell real quick if we start voicing opinion.
Everyone has their own opinion so nobody has the right to pressure their believe over others.
This debate has 2 points:
1. All phedophiles should end up into jail!
2. What is the fine line when it comes to phedophilia at this age range as puberty has taken place already? As there is celeb men 3 times older than their trophy wifes. I know few 15-16 year old girls who date +21 yer old men.
Why are topics on pedophilia allowed? They can lead to huge flame wars just as political or religious threads can.
Hmmm... I'm 18 and still occasionally find myself noticing a girl and thinking she's nice looking and then finding out she's underage. Girls look older nowadays. In my opinion this guy broke the law, but actually did nothing wrong.
Just my $0.02
In my opinion, the problem is girls at that age are easily influenced or pressured into those situations. Being that he was in a position of authority over these girls makes matters worse.
I wouldn't consider what this guy did pedophilia but it is definitely statutory rape.
Do you know that if your a u.s. citizen you can be charged with statuary rape if the person is under the age of 18,and more then 4 years younger then you and you had sex with him/her in another country.
Canada too. You have to follow the age of consent laws for which country you are a Citizen of while traveling. Its because of the guys traveling to Thailand/Philippines/Colombia/Africa etc for sex with actual children (8/9/10/11 years old), we needed laws to charge them under when they came back.
Its kind of scary though, because when you are in another country having a good time at the club, you don't stop to ask the girl her age and ask for ID. You just make an assumption based on her looks and if she is drinking alcohol etc, and you are more likely to strive for sex on the first night of meeting, because you arent thinking of a relationship or dating.
Also we in North America are used to clubs serving alcohol not allowing Minors inside, but in many other countries legal age for consuming alcohol/clubbing where alcohol is served can confuse us because we just make the assumption that everyone is over 18. Its all very confusing.
Exactly. This isn't about pedophilia and the only reason that he is getting in trouble is because he was put in a position of trust. He abused and used that position of trust to take advantage of underage girls, not just once by the sound of it either. He is a convicted sexual offender.
A similar event happened in our state recently but it was a girl having relations with a young male, not statutory unless you are in a position of trust!
That is against the law no matter how you look at it and he did in fact violate the law. Old cliche, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"!
I'm surprised this thread hasn't turned into a massive flame war yet.
Will let this thread run for now, just make sure it stays on topic. TIA.
Even if he wasn't in a position of authority, this would be illegal in just about every single state (age of consent varies from one state to another). Generally though, most states do not prosecute unless there is a 3+ year gap, but it generally depends on the specific facts (whether the younger individual was coerced, whether the older individual was in a position of authority). IMO, 14 and 19 is a bit too much, but it most definitely does not make him a pedophile. If you read the definition of pedophilia, you will see what I mean.
Honestly, it's difficult to judge a case like this. Girls mature faster than guys. At 19, he is legally a man, but let's be honest guys..we weren't all that mature yet at 19. I think in terms of maturity, their age gap is little. I'm not sure though. I know legally this doesn't make a difference, but was she at least in his high school? It's obviously a lot less severe if she wasn't even in high school.
To be honest, this happens a lot in the US. I remember when I was in high school, there were first year college students dating HS sophomores. The real problem in this case is that he was in a position of authority. When the perpetrator is in a position of authority, the prosecutors office will almost always take the case.
I'm still having a hard time getting the past the fact that one of the girls was 14. Isn't that something like 7th or 8th grade?
The FB page is completely pointless and but probably makes the parents/friends feel like they are doing something towards helping him get out, when we all know it is just a waste of time.
Yep, this is what I was referring to in my post too. Morally and legally are two different things. When we look at it morally, his little staff position probably didn't put him in any place to convince the girls to do what he wanted, they probably didn't feel like they had to, and didn't feel like it was only ok because of his position, but legally its pretty open and shut.
Its crazy how different developed nations see sex, and what is considered acceptable.
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