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I've just found a sentence to describe all efforts in my life^^

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  1. vinku

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    I'm almost 30, never worked for anybody in normal job and I don't want ever. Since school I wanted to get "easy money", not work for someone and make him rich. In 2005-2010 I was making websites, earning from adsense, selling scripts, simple logos, etc. Between 2010-2017 I've started with mobile, income from ads, selling source code, etc.
    I don't know seriously what I will do in future because I have minimum 40 years of activity if I not die before 70 but I can tell you, I will never work for someone else, NEVER. I can eat trash, drink rain water but never work as slave.

    Dear Blackhat guys^^, I wish you all to find your own way to independence and never work for someone else.

    Hah... Its's 1:12 AM here and I am producing some obvious texts but I see Warren's sentence first time in my life, really inspired by this guy now ;)
     
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    Two things, sir. One is completely my opinion, the other is an observation.

    I see things like this as problematic. Having a low level job at some point of your life is true character building, and helps people learn how to treat others in the same situation. I'm of the opinion that a year of work in food service, and a year of work in front-end customer service should be required of all teenagers.

    That shit is racist, yo.

    Good quote from Jimmy Buffett though. Carry on!
     
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    I've changed this for more polite word ;)
    About low level job, you don't imagine how making income from nothing building your character when you need to pay bills, eat something, rent some flat. I am not living with parents for last 10 years.
     
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    although I very much agree with mr.buffet I dont agree with this statement (unless its explained more).
    working for someone isnt that bad, I love working with the people and for my boss, but I still work toward the day I can quit and work for myself fulltime. working for someone is not ideal but until the day comes when I can quit I have a steady income.
    sure as long as you're not a mouch or have others depending on you, if its just you than live free buddy.

    100% agree here, you treat people differently after this, I've seen a few people first hand get put down a few pegs and humbled after working in the hospitality industry, and ive seen quiet introverts become more open and social (and happier) doing the very same jobs.
     
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    In my opinion it's bad in a way that you need to sell your own LIFE time to generate income. You are not a product seller what can be anything: music, movie, book, traffic, ad placement, invention - you are selling your time and your boss is earning 100x more using your time. If you agree with this and accept your purpose as someone's slave, then it's good. Most people can accept it but some people including me can't even imagine to sell own time. It's priceless.
     
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    Hey Sherb, i agree with front-end customer service part. I have experience of working face to face with customers, while I had my repair shop, and when I was starting out with my internet caffe. I was 1man army, but outsourced later. Even now, I work offline from time to time, mostly in local factory and few small companies I have contracts with. They need someone with technical expertise, but occasionally. I have learned to handle people, but they people never learn to handle you. It is so easy to spot which people know to handle people, with developed empathy, understanding, ability to grasp other's perspective, needs, wishes, and resources.

    You must be capable of handling people you have never seen in your life in order to be successful. Building that charisma will make your life easier.
     
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    Never say never.
     
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    I made sandwiches for $7.25 an hour in high school. I was 16 years old and thrilled that I was pulling in $150 on a weekend. Equating a paying customer service job to slavery is another issue I see with those who never had to hold an actual real-world interacting job. It's very much not slavery. Inexpensive labor? Sure.

    And sure, it's not the most glamorous thing ever, but I'll be completely honest with you here. It's been almost ten years since I held that job. I'm making insane money for my age. But the stress is a killer. Sometimes I wish I could turn back time and go back to that Subway counter with my girlfriend (now wife, she actually got me the job!) and spend my days creating food-related art, making customers happy, prepping the bread, and closing up at night.

    It was a much simpler time. And that, coupled with a higher level customer service job at a casino a short while later, taught me how to deal with people better than you could ever imagine.

    My ability to write like a champion, interact with people in a positive way, show serious charisma when I want to blow my brains out, and of course a college degree has gotten me incredibly far. And I have my awesome parents to thank for that for making me go out and get that job.
     
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    Oh wait, I'm totally forgetting the mini golf job! I had another customer service job before that at a mini golf course. I was fifteen that summer, in between my sophomore and junior year of high school, and I wanted to make some cash, so I got a job at a hybrid mini golf course, ice cream parlor, and tanning salon in my hometown.

    That job was awesome. I got to wake up super early and walk the mini golf course, wash off the golf balls that were sitting in stagnant water, make and eat some homemade ice cream treats, and I saw many a naked female classmate through the cracked-open tanning booth curtains.
     
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    I understand you @vinku . You earn well, and never having a job or even a CV , makes all that universe scary. Maybe so. Valuing your time is great too. But missing out social element of everything, because you have fat wallet, turns you into weird human being. Awkward nerd who might have problems in other areas of life. I'm not saying you are, but it could be true. Years of solitude and social independance breed certain personality traits. Think about this. How can you get yourself into situation where you need to approach from different perspective, in order to grow as a person. Thats what Sherb talks about, development.
     
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    Its the life we live in and I dont like it, but if i dont work I cant go out and have other great experiences (as well as pay for housing, food, etc etc), also I think your perception of jobs are a bit skewed i have a great time everytime I go to work i get some good perks and for many people its just easier way too live, Im still grinding my way to becoming self employed (hell my end goal is based off buffet's quote, I want to earn while I sleep).


    Also I get paid very well, job has good perks and leads too an very active social life, something working for myself just doesnt offer.
     
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    I don't know if I want development. All I want is peace and zero stress. Yes, it's a paradox - making money online is stressful. All I want is big house in mountains, hotel for vacation rentals and workshop to restore old cars.

    There is no normal job to get me in this point. For sure, it needs even $8 mln investment in the land, buildings, cars and $1-2mln for living to the end.

    For now I think I am slave too, slave of my dreams.
     
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    That brings me full circle to the thread I wrote when I took my latest day job, while also turning down a job as Director of SEO for a multimillion dollar development firm: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/l...for-fun-and-profit-q-a-and-other-shit.953773/

    I'm two and a half weeks into this job and I absolutely love it. I'm the only male in my entire department, which is great because I work better with women anyways for some reason. My boss is incredible and has 25 years in that company and still loves it. The benefits are absolutely insane (4+ weeks off a year, they've already sunk almost $5k into professional training for me in the next month, a solid 401k match, stock options, free health insurance, etc etc). I've always been about the day job being a means to an end, but I'll be 100% honest... if this is the real deal and not just the honeymoon phase, I'd be completely on board to make this a full career thing.

    I think the thing I love most is that everyone, from the call center people to the salesmen who have 40 years in the company, all seem happy.

    I think people who hate on the 9-5 lifestyle either didn't do something they enjoy, never found the right people to work for, or never tried it in the first place at a professional level.
     
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    Ah yeah, when I clock out so does my stress for that job, I put in my hours and i get my paid easy peasy. IM? not so much my projects are never really done, i can't clock out and forget about the projects that aren't paying well or even worse the thing im working on not paying out at all and im just wasting time and effort, I never stop with this and i've put in endless hours in the hope that one day I can live easy.
     
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    Its not possible to be stress free. Its not about eliminating stress, but handling it. As soon as you solve your problems, brain re-calibrates, and make once small problems into big problems. Thats only paradox that stands in your way.
     
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