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I've got a weird SEO problem

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by Nosfer, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. Nosfer

    Nosfer Newbie

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    This is my first thread here at BHW and I really hope this is the right place to post it. From what I've read these months you guys know a lot of things about SEO and specially about the black side of SEO too.

    I have a frustrating problem with one of my projects and I've asked about it everywhere, and I mean EVERYWHERE: all major webmaster forums and even Google Support but all I got were shitty answers from guys who aren't too skilled when it comes to judge and solve problems. I am NOT posting this because I want traffic, I'm only posting this because I hope someone can give me a tip on how to force Google.

    So, the story starts like this:

    I own a mens entertainment site [http://mentag.com] and even though we've got a lot of articles, fully unique and a lot of backlinks from high quality related sites we just have around 260 indexed pages at the moment. We're constantly linked from other high authority sites and social bookmarking sites and even though all that happens our pages are still NOT indexed. We've got around 38,000 inlinks at the moment.

    We haven't passed over 270 indexed pages for at least 2 months and in Yahoo we have over 1600 indexed pages. That's probably the number of pages that should've been indexed in Google too. The site is over 6 months old, we've got sitemap there too, no errors but we're not getting indexed as we would like.

    It's a bit frustrating and odd in the same time. Any suggestions?
     
  2. Megalomaniac Midget

    Megalomaniac Midget Power Member Premium Member

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    A few things i've spotted....

    Your not showing up in technorati, which is very strange...i assume you have summitted your RSS to all the directories & bookmarked the rss in the directories?

    if you want yahoo to rape your server why arn't you using delicious & yahoo buzz like you are using reddit & digg to deep link your pages? I've seen the spamming of yahoo buzz leading to pages popping up in google news :)
     
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  3. youngguy

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    maybe you got google penalized. Keep growing your backlinks in 1 month naturally, you will be out and stay out.
     
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    Looks like about 150 words or less of content per page, independent of the template.

    Take 10 test pages (that are not indexed) and double or triple the words per page, ping and monitor results.

    Also try some related news/content mash-up on each post for more stuff for G to chew on.

    The site's been around since march and was last indexed on the 5th of this month so I'm assuming G's crawled you whole site and is dropping some from the index.

    BTW - google likes this post of your's the most as of today:
    http://mentag.com/jennifer-hernandez-and-her-incredibly-perfect-everything/
    It's got more images on average then the others, so maybe more images per post would be worth testing as well.
     
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  5. livapetr

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    1) Your content is not unique (checked in copyscape)
    2) You have ONLY 12 pages in main index, other 252 are in supplemental. That's total shit.
    3) You have SOME very good high PR good backlinks
    4) Your alexa rank is not bad at all.

    I have no idea why you are penalized by G (you are penalized for sure). Such a good backlinks (as I see on 1st page on Y.Explorer) must provide you with respect from G.

    I suppose you overdid backlink creation. Let's see. Blog exists for 6 month and already has 38000 links. That's 6333 links permonth and 211 per day. BINGO! That's where you committed a crime. I you had only those high PR links (not more than 1000-2000 for 6 month) you would feel good at G.

    I saw very good projects woth decent content and only 300 backlinks that gain more traffic and exposure than your one does.

    I suppose that such a high backlinks wolume is obtained through spam of dupe (or spinned) content with a backlink at article dirs, blog dirs, web2.0 sites etc, etc. That's where you get your penalty. For white projects acklinks must be of quality, not quantity.

    At least you have alexa of ~150K. That means some traffic still comes to you. If I had this amount on traf on autoblogs I would be golden.

    Update: You cannot force Google but Google can force you. Nobody have enough resources to fight G. If you managed to seep in SERP with BH stuff, be happy for a while. But if you're flagged (like this one) it's time to give up forcing and try to comply with guidelines for webmasters.
     
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  6. Nosfer

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    Thanks for your suggestions, you guys are a lot more skilled than users from other forums.

    I also think the link building was overdone but the thing is... I have a couple of blogroll links from some related sites with a lot of indexed pages and as soon as they post a new article and it gets indexed, a new link is added. Links grow naturally and each day we get a couple of links to new posts from other sites as "recommendations". We haven't added our links to article directories, we only added to a few regular directories and fee directories, but I don't think more than a hundred.

    I know I've got a penalty because the site won't show up for "Men Tag" in the first pages even though it should be on the 1st spot. All reasons for a penalty that I can think about until now are:
    1) Overdoing link building, we've had some reciprocal links and also the "daily links" posts that are mainly posts with recommendations for other sites might take me down too.
    2) I even think the word "Tag" from the domain name might be confusing for google bot.

    I thought that keeping the good work and letting backlinks grow naturally would take out the penalty but there are 2-3 months now since I've noticed this problem and it's still not properly indexed from G. We only get 50-60 uniques/day from Google which really sucks and we have 3-4k/day total, but mainly from reffering sites. On other projects of mine Google traffic is like 50-60% of the total, here it's 1-2% and that's a pain in the ass.

    We'll try adding more content to our newer articles and I think we might also add the "nofollow" tag on posts with daily links, may that would help too.
     
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    good read thanks guys.
     
  8. livapetr

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    Well, like it is stated officially by Cuts and other guys, there are dosens of factors that have influence site ranking or flagging site as shit. Among them are: reciprocal links (bad), dupe content, unnatural link growth and others.

    Just think that G spends huge dosh in order to make its' bots clever. The point is: if your blog is whitehat - try to add useful and unique content, maybe you'll do well.

    Also, there is one factor. The link from blogroll is a "Sitewide link" i.e. if you have 100 links from same place in sidebar on one domain - it is ONE sitewide link. Now calculate how many SW links you have, then count all usual deep links you have, than divide one number by another and you have the ratio.
    Now. There is some critical value in this ratio when G starts flagging the site as spam. Not that it immediately says "fuck it" but it starts to raise it's etebrows a little :):)
     
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