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I've been building ~10 links a day for last 2 weeks - but im SLOWLY dropping SERPs?

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  1. krzysiekz

    krzysiekz Senior Member

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    Hi guys,

    I've got a couple of websites, and build about 10 links to them each day (from my auto approve list and i use link checker to make sure they're actually alive - so this is 10 real links per day)

    For my keyword that I was targetting (local) I was #7 on first page for about 1-1.5 weeks (domain is about month old) and i've been building links with different anchor text, all on different blogs, some pointing to main page and some to inner pages and I just checked today and now I am ranking in #11 (2nd page) so i've dropped 4 spots?

    How is that possible. I'm not over doing the links, or am I? Why am I dropping? Man, i'm doing it 'nice and slow' and consistently building links every single day for last 1.5-2 weeks to give it an organic feel and i'm dropping?

    It is a static site, more of a business site (not auto blog or blog at all). Is there a safer way to increase SERPs quicker? I don't want to build TOO many back links, I already thought 10 per day was a bit much for 1 month old domain... but come on, dropping ranks? :(
     
  2. iseegreen

    iseegreen Power Member

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    look I havent seen your sites / your competitors nor know your keywords

    but you need to build a variety of links not just one type


    Also if your site is not an authority type website that can just sit at the top forever - then you have to live with the ups and the downs

    So put out fresh content - broaden your link building and I think you may just get something more like what you want.
     
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  3. servantofgod

    servantofgod BANNED BANNED

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    build a bit more than 10 links maybe.
     
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  4. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Not enough

    Google shuffles sites at the 4-10 week mark. Almost every new site gets this

    Why? What are you tring to rank for. Pick 2 or three anchor texts and stick to them. Which word or phrase are you tring to actually rank for?

    A bit too slow

    So add some content. Static is ok if site is very lasrge. Generally small sites need updating a bit.

    Hope that helps

    Scritty
     
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  5. Reg-nbs-seo

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    The question I would ask is if you are changing content on the site.

    Links are a dead metric for SERPs. They do not influence search positions.
    When Google killed PageRank last year links no longer had any effect and the Mayday update sealed that. I have a new site that sits in the #1 position in a field of 33,000,000 competing sites and it has ONE link to the site. The #2 site is over 10 years old and has 277,000 in-bound links.
    All ranking works is done on page.
    best
    Reg

    I have a whole bunch of articles about linking on nbs-seo website

    I have not seen the amount of time a new site has been listed affect the standings since the Caffeine update went live.

    It used to be that a site would be subjected to layers of algos which were applied over a period of time. This does not happen anymore. With Caffeine all the algos are applied in one pass so we should not see the ups and downs of the old system.
     
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  6. volund

    volund Supreme Member

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    Seriously dude step away from the pipe.......

    Links do not matter???? WTF have you been smoking?? Your whole post is just plain crazy and goes against just about every tested methodology of how things really work. Pretty sure there is not going to be a rush of people running to your site to read your articles.


     
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  7. volund

    volund Supreme Member

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    First off as noted 10 links a day is really not enough. Steady is a real good idea but I would pick up the pace a bit if you can. Seriously dude 10 links is not even close to being a problem. Pick a number you can build everyday and then start with half of that and increase to your max over the course of couple of months. The number is not really as important as the steady building.

    Also noted above new sites get an initial boost at first while Google figures out where you really belong. The dropping you are seeing does not have anything to do with your links but just the fact that the site is finding its natural place, it probably would have dropped farther without them.

    Stop looking at your rankings everyday, it will just make you nuts especially on a new site. Plan out your link building a month at a time and then follow through. When I build a new site I plan out my link building for the first three months and do not check the rankings at all during that time. Those early rankings really do not mean anything anyway so you just end up obsessing over numbers that do not matter. Make a plan for these sites then start a new one and make a plan for it etc.

    If all you are using is blog comments you need to mix it up a bit. Try some forum profiles and articles or blog posts as well, something with some content.

    How you setup your pages and keywords is important. Have a page for each keyword if you can or at least a page for each two if they are related enough. Then for each keyword you are targeting split your links 80/20 with 80% going to the sub page and 20% going to the main page. This will give you a nice targeted attack on your sub pages and a nice mixture on your main page.


     
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  8. jond1

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    Happens to all of us. Just keep building links and google will probably move you higher once it figures out where you go.
     
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    lol 10 per day and im crazy doing 4k try to do 1k on old domain
     
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    what would you consider an acceptable daily amount to build?

    I thought what you eluded to 4k or even lower at 1k
    was above acceptable limits...??

    what would be a "daily max" to stay below the radar?

    hali~:)
     
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  11. Marcink99

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    did you check if your backlinks are indexed?
     
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  12. secretboy08

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    bcoz 10 links per day is less.
     
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  13. Spaceman

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    I want to hear more of this please.
    Would you be so kind as to start a thread called
    "Links dont affect Google ranking"
    This way we can discuss without hijacking the OP.



     
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  14. krzysiekz

    krzysiekz Senior Member

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    Thanks for so many of the replies.

    Some information for those who have asked (very sorry for not including it in original post - it was very late here when I made the thread):

    The KW I am targetting are things like: dentist in city, dentist city, city dentist etc

    It is a local site, it really does not have too much competition which is why I am a bit worried. I mean, if it was getting thousands of monthly searches or it was highly competitive, then I would understand - but people on here talk about dominating even fairly competitive keywords with new sites in 2 weeks, yet I've been doing it 'naturally' over 1 month for a non competitive keyword, it's just disappointing to see.

    From what I can gather, there are two things Im missing:

    - Variety of links. At the moment, I have blog only links. The problem is, I don't have software for forum links and I don't have too much spare time on my hands lately, which it will stay like for the next 4 or so weeks until Uni is finished.

    If I manually build some links on some good sites (forum profile) and then make a post/reply to a thread a couple of times, is that enough to make it count as a link? Will these links be good? Also, article submission + link back to my site is another link type I can think of? Is this all I need, blog/forum/article ?


    - And the other thing i've noticed is that a lot of people are saying 10 links is much too little. I am doing this amount from what I've read as I don't want to get sandboxed. My first site I made I ordered a xrummer 500 verified link pack before it even got indexed haha, Yes - i'm silly, not it's really out of the SERP's and I am afraid of it happening for my new site (because I actually want to put this project to work)

    What do you think is a safe amount of links to build? Ive got an auto approve list of about 1,500 or so DOMAINS (and from these I can extract thousands upon thousands of other blogs on their site that are likely auto approve too) so I can do a fair few blog comments/links, but what should I step it up to? 20? 50? 100? What If I eventually build links from the same domain, but different blog post, is that okay to have several links from the same domain?

    - To those who said to add content, how can I do that if the site is static? EG - Home page is intro. of the local business, then there is about us page, products, services etc. There does not seem to be room for more? Should I make a page like 'niche blog' and then set up and auto blog on there to automatically post related stuff? This would take care of the fresh content side of things, but i'm not sure how much of an impact on the professionalism it will have?

    Again, thanks so much I will be thanking all those who contributed well!

    EDIT:

    Are my links indexed? Yahoo explorer is showing about 30 inlinks for one of my sites that I have built when I've been doing the 10 confirmed for at least the last 1.5 weeks. There should be at least around 100 confirmed/landed links going into that site and they're not spammy so they should stick to the blog forever. I think Google secrelty picks up the links a lot quicker. IE - when I make a social bookmarking account and link to my sites to get them indexed quickly, Google always indexed first, Yahoo always later - (maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way) but Google seems to do the job quicker, so I believe Google would have found more of my links than Yahoo is showing.

    In regards to it being #7 right away at the start? From what I remember, no it was not on the first page by default. I believe I had to start some link building before it got on there, but I can't be sure because I really didn't try to look out to see if it would rank first page without links - so I really cannot be sure. I guess it can be safe to assume either case, as I really do not know. Perhaps it put me page 1, then thought (after considering) that my deserved position is a little higher. I'm just happy it didn't drop all the way down!

    EDIT: Can someone from Australia PM me (its a local site so you'd need to be here I think to check) what my site is ranking for in Google.com.au ? I look on a tool I have, and it is showing first / second / third result as different subpages of the same domain. And then the 4 / 5 /6 results again is different subpages etc. But in terms of domains, my site is the 4th domain to be listed (if you exlude all of the subpages that the other domains have). Does this mean it is actually on the first page, 4th position? Unfortunately I used to check a lot and now my results always show my site higher than what it is :(
     
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    select australia.
    it will show your rank in that country search engine.
     
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    While there may be a daily max that number is huge. I have dropped 10k links at a time on a new site without any issues. What causes most people issues is they buy a couple of xrumer runs and then stop. It is that stopping that is the problem not the links themselves. The pattern of your links building is very important. The best thing to do is figure out what your max amount of links per day is that you can build or buy for the site. Start at a number about half of that and work your way up to your max over the course of two or three months.

    The key is to consistently build those links every week. Do not worry about those daily ranking fluctuations, in fact do not check your rankings any more than you can help yourself. When I start a new site I plan out the first three months and do not check the rankings at all until it is time to plan out month four. Why would I? I have my plan in place and those early rankings do not mean anything, they may stick they may not, they are smoke. Do not obsess over them, just keep building your links and the rankings will come.
     
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    This is the most ridiculous pile of crap I've read in a week, and believe me, I visit A LOT of forums.

    You're either a noob (that's the first time I use this word on a forum) pulling things out of his ass, OR you're lying and you know it.
     
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    I really have to flame this noob aswell...... I rank number 1 for 1000s exact a month keywords and they hav no keyworded onsite seo except a title tag. The whole site is 1 image..... So dude go stik ur finger where the sun dont shine and see where u went rong
     
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    WARNING TO ANY WHO READ THIS...

    It's total crap

    Scritty
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Let's wait for the donk to try and flog some shitty "on site" text optimization plugin for wordpress or similar on the back of his delusions

    Scritty

    (waiting...tap tap tap)