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It's a sad world we live in - teenager stabs girl in the face

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ShadeDream, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. ShadeDream

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ryan-walker-harry-potter-attack-3134853
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-head-against-fence-called-Harry-Potter.html

    It's really sad what happened to Ryan. I don't know the full story and can't make any firm judgements but what I can do is voice my opinion. My opinion is voiced on the assumption that Ryan was in fact a normal kid who wasn't accepted for who he was/is which in return damaged him as a person and halted his social development. I do not know if he had any prior mental illnesses that may have caused him to do what he did but I highly doubt that he did, although of course I may be completely wrong.

    I hardly believe that this incident was his first experience of being bullied, it's most likely something that has happened over years and has shaped his mind. He's most likely been mentally damaged by people whom are no better than him but think or show otherwise. Not everyone develops in the same pace, not everyone develops in the same way, and therefore you can't judge him for what he did without looking at all of the factors involved.

    I don't know what he is like in real life but I believe that his social development was severally disrupted due to people like these. It's not that he was unable to take a joke, to him it was most likely a form of attack on his personality, on his self esteem, on his life. Something that ruined and crushed him on the inside, something that has most likely been building up over years through various people.

    Bullies scar and potentially ruin people's lives for ever. Mental bullying psyches people out and it's probably one of the worst forms of bullying possible, it ruins peoples personalities, it imprisons them in other peoples judgements, it screws with their minds.

    Some will say, he could have seeked help, he could have done this, he could of done that. You know what? It's not as simple as it seems, bullying is one of the hardest things to tackle, not because there is no way to tackle it but because of what society has become. What's worse then just bullying? Group bullying. Where no matter what you do, you will always be the lonely one vs the army of bullies. It's extremely hard to truly get help when being bullied without making yourself more of a target. Not only that but most people (students, teachers, parents) are usually completely incompetent of truly helping. They're also unable to truly stop the bullying or sanction those that are responsible for it. What's worse, they usually fob it off or don't treat it as seriously as they should and in return the victim is the one who gets screwed over in the end when emotional action is finally taken by the victim due to lack of support and understanding.

    If you don't like someone then stay away from them, don't ruin their lives because you have nothing better to do. If you're just joking and you see that the joke is not mutually accepted and that your company is not enjoyed by this person then leave them alone and go joke about with your friends about your friends and not about those who are vulnerable due to past experiences.

    The shitty part is that now the bully will be treated like the real victim should have been treated but who's going to write an article about a kid who has been mentally bullied for most of his life? It wouldn't make the headlines. No one would care because there was no physical violence, no blood, nothing to attract people's attention. Now that the news has hit headlines, the bully will most likely feel entitled, they will feel like their life has been ruined, but did these people for one moment stop and think what they were doing to Ryan and his personality?

    I don't condone his actions, it was a terrible thing to do and should have not gone this far but I definitely don't feel sorry for the girls, they got what they wanted, a reaction. At least now they will know not to bully anyone in the future. I feel sorry for Ryan because of how his life has been pretty much fucked over. I feel sorry for all such people that are invisible victims who's lives will never be the same. I also feel sorry for one of the girls mums for making the following comment: "I feel sorry for the next person that calls him a name." Not only is it aggravating but it just doesn't stand, she should look at her own child and not make such comments. I understand every parent wants to protect their child but ugh it feels like she's implying that it was all his fault which to me makes her look like a fool.

    I think bullying is much more complex than just saying that he was bullied because he was a wimp and he couldn't handle the world. It stems from much more than just simple word calling and builds up gradually over time. And as some have no way of fighting back, once they do, it's all emotional and emotions can be dangerous especially in today's society.

    That's about all I could say without writing pages so please don't subject my opinion to interpretation, if I had the time I could write essays explaining my opinions and why I think what I think but it would be too much for me to write about and it would also consume way too much of my time. In fact I wasn't even expecting this but once I focus on something I can write and write and write until I cover all possible points. All language is subject to interpretation and no matter how someone explains something, there will always be something to hook onto or something that can be interpreted in a different way. This is why good lawyers are rich. On the other hand I don't mind opinions, I just wont be responding to anyone undermining my opinion as I don't have the time to discuss, I only wanted to voice my opinion and show my deep sorrow for those whom didn't have much control over their circumstances that have made them the way they are.

    Peace.
     
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  2. elschlongo

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    I hardly believe that they called him Harry Potter once and it was enough for him to run home and come back with a knife. He slightly resembles the character.... slightly. He was either having a really bad day to start off with, or these two girls were really taunting him.

    The judge calling the girls rude, but not enough to warrant getting the shit beat out of them kind of pissed me off. These girls sound like they needed a good ass kicking for a long time. I don't think he should have stabbed the one, but the scar on her face should be a constant reminder of consequences to her actions.

    The mom commenting on the next person that calls him a name really pissed me off because she really has no clue what the hell happened. I can definitely see her pushing for some kind of damages because of her daughters scar.

    I honestly dont don't know what to say about this. I feel for the guy for sure, but I think he should have handled it differently(obviously). Going home and getting a knife, then leading them to a park to get attacked is pretty fucked. I wonder if he would have done the same thing had it been two guys instead of two girls.
     
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  3. clonr

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    Eh, not surprised. As an American, turning on the news and seeing school shootings, terrorist groups, and the US attacking countries and acting like the victim...

    Not surprised by this any more.
     
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    This reminds me of a story. You see, when I was in middle school, I was frequently harassed by students and teachers. The students would call me names, spread rumours that I was a homosexual (I'm not), turn my acquaintances against me with those rumours, steal from me, hit me, and even on a couple of occasions the male students would try to rape me. Some of the teachers would often join in on the harassment or encourage the other students to harass me while they watched, and one day I snapped and said that I was going to set the school on fire with them locked in the classroom. One of the teachers heard this and sent me to the principal's office where the principal told me told that I was the problem. He said quite a few memorable quotes that day such as:

    • I can have you sent to prison for such a serious threat.
    • I think you're making a lot of this stuff up for attention.
    • The reason you're getting "bullied" is because you're not acting the way the other students want you to act.
    • The problem is your personality and outlook on life. If you just stopped acting the way you do, this would all stop.
    and my favourite quote:
    • Do you know what you should do? You should look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself "I will be a better person. I will change" (He said this last one while shoving a mirror in my face)
    Now I'm not aggressive, but dealing with all of this for years without anyone helping me (and I did try getting help, but to no avail) brought me to that point. It didn't help that I didn't get diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome until much later, so everyone felt it was okay to pick on me. Even if these bullies are confronted later in life, they'll most likely dismiss what they did or tell you to get over it because it "happened years ago".

    Those girls who bullied Ryan cannot comprehend what they did to him, even with the physical damage he inflicted upon them. Like the OP mentioned, I doubt that they only called him "Harry Potter" once considering he shouted "die, die" while bashing the girl's head in. That type of animosity is built up over time and does not go unprovoked. What happened to those girls is similar to those news stories when someone gets mauled by a bear after provoking it. What did you expect the bear to do, sit there and take it?
     
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  5. davain

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    I don't condone his actions at all either, but reading that article, all I could think of is "why did they do this to themselves". He should be imprisoned yes, but I blame all those who mentally tortured this kid over the years or those in his life who didn't put a helping hand out.

    I'm assuming that he was constantly bullied and to me it seems as if it wasn't the first time those specific girls did the bullying. I wouldn't go as far as saying that's what they deserved, but hopefully this helps them and other bullies to realize what they can do to a person's mind with mere words.

    And what the mother said at the end pissed me off as well! She is dumbing the situation down to "they called him a name (Once) and he snapped" which I highly doubt it the case. She, as a parent, should be more aware of the effects of bullying and what bullying is. If one of the girls was my child, I would want him to be punished for sure, but I would never be so ignorant and blind to what my daughter is. "She didn't deserve this" would have been enough.

    At the end of the day; The young man did in fact snap and resorted to unnecessary violence, but people should see both sides of the coin and see this as an opportunity for kids to learn what bullying can cause (both to the victim of bullying, as well as the bullies themselves). And also that mother needs to get her head out of her a** and deal with her brat of a child, who deserved a lesson but just not one this extreme.
     
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  6. Grizzy

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    I thought this would be about some young teenager, but this guy 19 years old! At that age he's basically a grown man who's expected to show a level of maturity above that of 15-16 year old girls. What was said to him doesn't matter at all, not in the least. This guy used a weapon to brutally assault girls who are quite a bit younger then him. That's it. He was probably dealt a bad hand in life, but in this situation the bullies are 100% the victims, and this mentally disturbed man needs to be locked up for a very long time.
     
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  7. Capo Dei Capi

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    Bullying isn't that bad if you just ignore it and not give a f*ck about what happens in school years.
     
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    The world is now completely in the insane zone. Only those with still good mind, and control over outer-world evil, are on the good side.. still. Sadly, the tremendous amounts of the bad radiations ozzing out of manmade structures and devices are engulfing the whole world and the human minds too... The human mind is a very delicate machinery and it can't take so much abuse any more. Only some of the infinite violences and violent reactions come to light like in the above unfortunate case, but it's only the tip of the 'iceberg' that gets publicized to the world. The rest of all those reactions in small or large proportions, are seen routinely in almost every household: physical, emotional, mental, and whatever other form the uncontrolled violence is happening everywhere.. I believe that the unseen and all-engulfing radiations are the chief, if not the only reason behind the increase of such inhuman reactions.

    May be, imho, everyone should do some mind-control activities like meditation, breath-control, thought-control, and overall self-help, including staying a few days with the real Nature, and without those devices during those times. We all try to take care of our physical ailments / unhealthiness, but how many of us take care of our emotions, keep them under control, and keep a watch on our thought patterns? Do we get alarmed at some of our violent thoughts, and try to control it in time? This won't change the whole world, but it will definitely save a very vital part of it from senselessly going overboard like the affected people involved in the above case -- us/me.

    Rant over, thankfully! :).
     
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  9. Capo Dei Capi

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    You guys should really read some history books, there has been insane stuff going on for thousands of years. In Ancient Greece for example child molestation was perfectly okay. Things are just brought to our attention faster and more often to faster communication.
     
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    Age is but a number. That being said I understand where you're coming from but I can also see how this could have happened.

    The thing that you don't seem to be questioning is how did this man become so mentally disturbed? I believe it to be through years of bullying that grew on him and halted his mental development. Don't forget that those early years are the most important years of your life, it's when your brain develops.

    Humans are still very primitive in their nature, emotions still control most of our actions, and if mental capacity is not developed in those very crucial child years, well, you will only be left with emotions and what society shows you through culture, through movies, through news, etc. We are not born with bad intent, it comes from other people.

    I agree, I'm the type to not give a fuck about what people say about me (in most cases, possibly been affected by certain things on a deeper level) but I've come across those who just can't ignore a single thing. It's these people that bullies pry on.

    Also, no matter how much you ignore I believe that words still make an impact on you, on me, on everyone.
     
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    I know this too, but we're no longer in Ancient Greece? Or are we?
     
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    But if one reads history, they wouldn't be really shocked or surprised at events going on now.
     
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    This is one of the most interesting responses to anything I have read in a long time. Makes a lot of sense and it definitely resonates with how I feel about certain things.
     
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    I didn't look at it from that perspective. I guess my post was more of a rant to vent some frustration at such things. I was more so concerned about people only seeing one side of the coin rather than both like davain mentioned above.

    You've made me curious about actually doing some deeper reading into history though my issue has always been scepticism. I find it hard to treat what I'm reading as completely true as human error is infinite and although you say history I wonder if it's really history or to some extent fiction created through Chinese whispers. At the end of the day how do you know that the information that has been passed on over the centuries has been accurate? It makes me wonder how our times will be described in a thousand years, how people will pass our history over.
     
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  15. Grizzy

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    Reading the article it looks like you're right about the bullying thing, at least that's what his defense is claiming. He could have also had other things go wrong in his life like abuse or neglect or an untreated mental illness. I can have sympathy for someone like that and at the same time find their actions to be cowardly and disgusting, and that they pose a serious danger to society.

    While I count myself lucky that I was never bullied as a youngster, I do have a young son and the idea of a bully causing him pain just about makes me tear up. I participated in bullying other kids when I was younger (mostly because of my own insecurities and my want to fit in with the "cool kids") and it wasn't until I matured that I started to feel ashamed for the pain I must have caused others. When I see something like that happening now I will always stand up and let the bully and victim know that shit won't be tolerated around me.

    With that being said, lots of kids get bullied and abused and they don't end up violently lashing out like that in such a bizarre way. Just like there are people who were never bullied but still do terrible things. Go down to your local night club and start insulting 19 year old men... chances are eventually one of them will try to put you in the morgue because certain words came out of your mouth. There are tons of just fucked up people out there who don't give a shit about the consequences and will gladly take the opportunity to mutilate another human being.

    The level of brutality of this crime is just off the charts. These girls brains also are not developed, they would most likely one day come to the same conclusions I did and become decent people. They didn't deserve to have their lives derailed because they called someone a name.
     
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    Stupid people generally raise stupid kids. It's a shame this lad didn't have a proper outlet to vent his frustration, porn can only get you so far when no real girl wants to fuck you. Now, as we all know, 99.99% of people would never react in such a violent way, even if they're being tormented by bullies for years... Therefore we can assume that this sort of thing does not happen relatively often at all. The world is so small, what with everyone around the globe getting access to pretty much INSTANT information. It makes these things seem like they happen more often than they really do - a primitive mind trick of sorts

    That's why "the news"â„¢ is bullshit, i mean why even listen to it? With the amount of people that inhabit the earth, you're guaranteed a few tragic headlines day in day out (manipulated by political agendas)...But what does it really mean? I say not much at all. To get really crazy: how do you even know half of the shit is REAL? Let's face it, most of us watch the news to get our dose of doom and gloom that we're all suspiciously addicted to -- Let's talk about THAT
     
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  17. davain

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    I'm the type to take whatever shit comes my way too but I know that a lot of people aren't as "strong minded" and it really does affect them
     
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    The real shock to me is you could have posted "Dog was not given a dog treat" thread and you would have
    had 10 people saying "Crucify the bastard I say!" yet when it comes to a human being killed brutally we just
    sit around on our typing fingers lmao....
     
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  19. davain

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    Your last point is such a good one. Their brains are not fully developed yet and I believe most bullies can and will outgrow it. However, I feel that 16 is more than old enough to know what's right and wrong, in the basic sense at least, and especially with bullying which is spoken about all over the US nowadays.

    I'm sure they've heard about it, been told it's bad and not to do it, but did it anyways. BUT they are kids and that's just what they do sometimes.
     
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    Now THAT is an interesting topic. I'm a sceptic myself so I definitely question the validity of everything. This gives me a hard time with taking on a firm opinion without going crazy.

    I personally don't really follow the news at all, the only reason I came across this was because I got distracted. I'm not exactly surprised by it, was more so frustrated at how one sided things can get. I guess at the end of the day it's all media, it's created in a way to get us to discuss it, to get us buzzing about it, and to further seek new stories? Who knows.
     
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