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It takes 3 years to rank #1 on Google, a "study" says....

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mirrorer, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. mirrorer

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    IMO time (site/content age) is now one of the most important factors head to head with content quality and link quality.
     
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    Interesting case study, would like to know the experts verdict!
     
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    Probably has some basis.
    However, consider that on average if a site/page has been around longer than its competitors it has had a longer time to gain links.

    In such an instance it could well be the authority from more links that is allowing that site/page to rank ahead of competitors, rather than specifically age.
     
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  5. mirrorer

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    I always test stuff myself and here is a 3m old website of mine
    [​IMG]

    What's even more interesting is that the page of keywords in the rectangle have 0 content,just a plain url and 1 powerful pbn backlink.
     
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    Sure, this looks great, but study says:

    "As you can tell from this graph, the average Top10 ranking page is 2+ years old. And those that rank at position #1 are almost 3 years old (on average)."

    So your kws are on 62 and 67 and going up. Let's see when they will get #1.

    I'm not saying it'll be in 3 years, just not within 2 months or overnight (talking about NEW domains and NEW sites) as it was possible back in the days for even medium to high competition.

    EDIT: What his study has shown I have noticed by stocking my competitors months ago, just didn't paid much attention to it, but 90% of the sites that I've checked were from 2014. - 2015. or so... Very rarely in 2016. (less then a year) for this kws and niche.
     
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    @littlewebdragon
    so i should always start a website from expired domaind because i wont be able to compete with fresh domain vs couple-years-domains?
     
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    My point wasn't to disqualify the case study but to prove that powerful backlinks still remain #1

    I know a website in a big niche that got #1 for many keywords just building powerful backlinks.

    Also,as a post from Glenn here http://www.viperchill.com/google-control/ shows websites even months old ranking #1 for high competitive keywords.
     
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    I am not saying that at all. Personally I don't prefer to use expired domain for money site never honestly, very rare for test purposes sometimes. Money site is money site. I'm saying that domain/content AGE has become a huge factor. For example, buy new domain, set a site on it, let it age. Like wine. Just let it be update it couple of times a year, add everything will build up and add up nicely.
     
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    there are benefits but that's not always the case
    This is one of my sites i started on 23th of Jan
    So... It's actually been just 1 month and a few days now
    [​IMG]

    Fresh new domains ain't all terrible !
    & also 100% rankable if you know what you are doing
     
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    I never understood the logic when comparing spot 64 and spot 1. They are two different entities, I can get to second page in my sleep. Getting to the first page and then going up is a whole different game.

    I have had site jump from page 7 to page 2 with one link and has been stuck there ever since. So you know go figure.
     
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    I do agree with you about links, as seen there even in footer. I've read that study, that was posted I believe months ago like 3-4+ months.

    But how many real-life people can get links like that from sites like that? :)
     
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    That wasn't the point of my post
    I was telling @aidenhera that you don't need to use expiring domains to compete
    because virgin domains can complete just fine.
     
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    They own those sites buddy and I read somewhere that a lot of changes was to target these sites who were using there authority to rank there other sites. i think bestreviews lost significant traffic afterwards.. but compared to what they have I am sure they are fine.
     
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    Exactly my point. There are 3 entities when it comes to SE that I'm into traffic wise:
    1) #1 - #3 (G page 1 of course)
    2) #4 - #10 (G page 1 of course)
    3) Everything else, including Bing, Yahoo and bla bla traffic.
     
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    Yes, I've said that as well in my reply here, you've might missed it.
     
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    I'm no expert but having dealt with website for the past 5 - 8 years, I can say that it is true. On average it takes about 2 years to start seeing consistent results on your website. I'm talking about whitehat stuff though. One can speed it up (still being whitehat) with a larger budget such as good guest post outreach, sponsorship of industry events, high level press releases and so on.

    There are some here who say that they can rank a new website. That's fine, buy some focused backlinks blah blah and yes you can rank. But here's the big difference, its like running a sprint or a marathon.

    Typically whitehat sites run a marathon, while most blackhat churn/burn sites are there just for a while. The webmaster has an idea, builds a site, burns his wallet. If the results are not that impressive, they usually move on to another site. In this context the above timeline makes a lot of sense.
     
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    That is weird i just made top three for carpenter + a big city in my country (registered Sep 2016) with a 4,5 month old site... Not 3 years, noit 2 years just 4,5 months...

    I have a second side that is in top 10 for house painter + city, this site is created in November 2016

    So according to my experience this case study is wrong.
     
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    Your country is Netherlands right? If that is the case, it's true. SEO for US market (global market) and other countries especially local and different languages as well as adult market has completely different alogs if you ask me one from another. So I am sure if you are from NL and ranked for your market it worked like a charm.
     
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    Yeah i am, but these type of things are done globally, i don't think that there is an algo for the Dutch or EU google and one for the US the difference when it comes to search algo's isn't that big at all. Also i have a lot of US targeted sites that are at the top of the SERPS for mid/high level keywords that haven't been a year old yet, as i said before: i am not buying this case study based on what i see in my own business.