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It seems Google never fails, to fail! (301 redirect technique related)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Aug 9, 2013.

  1. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    I thought this was so incredibly bad that it deserved its own thread.

    You think Google can't get any worse and then they smack you in the face with a trout.

    Basically if you followed my other thread I use 301 redirects to rank sites. Recently my test site dropped after just a week. I left it for a while and had been researching a Pharma site that strangely 301s their main domain to a subdomain at around tri-monthly intervals.

    It works for them as they have been ranking with pure spam for "diet pills" for a very long time. Anyway, I decided in the name of blackhattery that I would test 301ing the dropped domain to a fresh subdomain(of that domain) by cloning the site to it.

    So if I draw a shittypaint it looks like this;

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    So that was two days ago. Today jut out of nowhere I decided to Google my main keyword and see what is ranking. What I found defies logic, in fact it defies what I thought was possible.

    Basically, what i'm looking at right now is one of my redirects(on the left in the pic) on the first page ranking very highly. What is more astonishing is that this redirect is a domain I bought from GoDaddy about three years ago which has never had any content on it. Yet it is somehow ranking with the page-title and meta-description of the domain it redirects to.

    It even has the star ratings on it from data highlighting.

    I don't understand how or why but Google seems to be in some ways, reversing the 301 by pulling data from where the 301 points, but that makes no sense whatsoever. A domain using a 301 redirect it supposed to drop out of Google completely.

    I can't get my head around this one, mainly because I'm face palming so much.

    Oh well, if Google wants to give me free money who am I to complain.
     
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    judif414 Regular Member

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    So you are ranking a subdomain?

    Essentially you take recentlydroppeddomain.com and 301 it to subdomain.recentlydroppedomain.com and the subdomain ranks?

    I assume we would need a dropped site and then 301 correct?

    Wow if you combine that graphic with the your other 301 thread this could be a very interesting method indeed.
     
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    Just read a thread about 302's pulling the meta info from the page it redirects too and ranking higher than that page itself. Wondering how long rankings would stick after removing the redirect. Could be a very useful exploit, but probably an equally easy fix on google's end.
     
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    Thanks for the update Gorang. Good stuff.
     
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    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    I know a guy using this exact method and his rankings are tanking. His whole site is getting slapped into oblivion. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but in my experience it tends to burn out after a month or so. Actually, he's using this method on a few sites and all their keywords are slowly but surely dropping/de-indexing. :(

    Here's a sample screenshot of a few of this guys rankings, column 1 is day, column 2 is week:

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  6. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    I never intended this to happen. I just dont see why Google would rank one of my redirects and with data from anther site. The redirect domain has never had ANY content.

    Our job is to make sense of Google algo so we may exploit it, but this type of stuff blows logic out of the water and confuses everyone. It is not a stable system, there are so many flaws and illogical conclusions in Google's algo that it makes understanding it hard to keep up.
     
  7. gorang

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    Still ranking today. What is Google doing.

    It is not the subdomain that is ranking. It is one of the redirects which has never had a site on it. The folder in my hosting has been empty for years. I just 301ed an old domain.
     
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    Did you promote the redirect domain (that never had a site on) or is it just ranking on domain age?
     
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    Pow-Pa-Plow Registered Member

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    Hi Gorang,

    thanks for your thread, am i correct in saying that by (somehow) managing to rank that redirected domain, everytime someone clicks on it in Google, it just goes straight to your money site anyway?

    Seems very odd that it has ranked, but if it is still leading people to your money site then all is good!
     
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    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    Thats the whole point. Churn and burn by rank for 1 month and then 301 to another domain, or in this case a sub domain and just crash and repeat once a month.
     
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    A similar thing happened to me a few months ago. I have domain1.com - it's been penalized. Okay. I wanted to try a redirect, because it dropped from 100k down to 60k unique views per day. That's a hefty drop in earnings. So I 301 domain1.com to domain1.net - and within 14 days, domain1.com is ranking for everything domain1.net is meant to be ranking for (what domain1.com was originally ranking for). domain1.net is nowhere to be found.

    It's fixed now, but it was still strange. It lasted almost a week.
     
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  12. gorang

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    Yeah the domain has disappeared now but i would really like to know how that was possible. Google has some strange mechanics.
     
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    Interesting stuff. Semi-related, I once somehow ranked one of my raw affiliate links, which is a redirect as well, and I still have no idea how I did it, and it stayed ranked for about 2 weeks, possibly longer as I had no idea it was there until my network noticed it.
     
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    I have seen this when my moneysite gets deindexed. Then the 301 pointing to it would show in the SERPS with the content still from the moneysite showing in the meta.
     
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    This happened to me as well gorang. I redirected 2 aged sites with back links into a new site, a few days later one of the redirects was ranking on page 2 and the new site was still floating on page 30 it stayed like this for a while, then the next redirect started to rank on page 3 and still new site nowhere to be seen. I eventually decided to take said re-directs off . This is the situation now. The new domain now ranks on page 1 in usa results and page 30 in uk results. I am pretty confused as to what that is all about.The redirects actually ranked with their old title tags and descriptions and looked very out of place in the results. Very weird. But just before the last update i used your method been 8 weeks now and still i rank at no3 and no2 ( touching wood as i type)
     
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    Same happening with mine.

    I had domain.com ranking for about 11 days with 4 domains redirecting too it. It tanked on Friday. Yesterday, one of the 4 redirected domains is now ranking in its position. Same situation it hasn't had any content on it for months it is using the same title and description as domain.com
     
  17. IProvideSEO

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    Gorang, that is interesting. I have been noticing that 301 redirects and a silo structure combination can rank for moderately competitive keywords. I wrote out a detailed post about ranking several websites using 301 redirects with a silo structure http://www.seo-experiments.com/seo-...s-301-redirects-ranking-competitive-keywords/

    It's almost as if then Penguin 2.1 update values relevant links so much that its even easier to do SEO.
     
  18. monade

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    why cant i browse to last page??

    EDIT : please delete wrong topic.