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It feels like a waste to link to only one money site after spending so much time building a PBN!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by beingink, Jun 5, 2016.

  1. beingink

    beingink Senior Member

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    I know a lot of successful rankers don't mind this, but for me with limited budget it just feels like a super waste.

    First of all finding domains is getting harder now since everyone is buying domains left right and center.

    Then to host it, write content, make it look original.. Only to have it linked to one money site.

    Are there any workarounds to this? What do you guys do with your PBNs?
     
  2. topcoder

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    Can you pm me, I would love to see a sample of your PBN blogs.
     
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    ive seen top aff sites ranking for competitive keywords linking 3 money sites on each pbn domain. If you want to keep it safe as possible then stick to one
     
  4. UptonGoodwin

    UptonGoodwin Power Member

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    The big downside to this comes if your PBN gets a Google penalty. If you are linking to multiple money sites from your PBN, now you have multiple money sites potentially getting hit by a penalty at the same time. Something that could be very devastating to anybody!
     
  5. s14blackhat

    s14blackhat Registered Member

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    Holy crap.. I was asking same question to myself today. I know that PBN is powerful if done right. However, creating nice and powerful PBN site will take time and money and having just one money site link to it is so much work compared to backlinks from the market.
     
  6. beingink

    beingink Senior Member

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    I have seen too and the most amazing part is that they are not even like the good designed to not look spammy kind of sites, you can look at them and guess within a second that they are PBN and yet they stay on top of high search keywords.

    Kinda makes me thing most of the stuff that you read online is pure shit and just money making garbage spewed by gurus to charge for false information.

    My point exactly, this shit takes time and to have it linked to one money site? I will mostly be selling off some links from my PBN otherwise its just a big waste of time.
     
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    Would you like to see his PayPal account balance too?
     
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    spectrejoe Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    How often do you think that google is banning PBNs? And how often do you think they ban small networks?

    PBN Banning is overhyped just because google banned a few MASSIVE 100+ PBNs in the past, they wont give a shit if you don't go anywhere near that number.
     
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    Google has a lot of websites to worry about. They can't weed them all out!
     
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    You know, UptonGoodwin has a point.
    Your money site promotion is the point of the whole PBN adventure. If you are so concerned about your PBN pointing to only one domain, then I guess your "money site" isn't so much "money".
     
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    dondada7 Power Member

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    Ye getting a manual review seems so slim if these big sites aren't getting hit. I'm doing the same by linking to multiple money sites and no design on them whatsoever.
     
  12. s14blackhat

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    No design you mean plain theme with simple css file? Basically you are not worried about manual review?
     
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    pretty much. Im not buying expensive domains though so thats why ill just throw a couple of articles on and move to the next one.
     
  14. KELLOGGS

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    Here's your answer.

    Also a few other points:
    1) You don't need a PBN to rank valuable keywords (if you find the right keywords).
    2) If you can't afford a PBN, don't build one. You're then part of the problem with
    2.1) If your keywords aren't valuable enough to warrant a PBN, don't build one.
     
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  15. beingink

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    Yeah after researching niches in which top sites are supported by Cheap looking PBN's I am starting to think the same. PBN hit is highly overhyped and these are niches where the potential is to make upwards of $1k per day so you can imagine my shock.

    Anyways I have refigured my strategy and basically decided that I will manage/build two types of networks .. One that is good metrics but not much work put into it and the other the best domains that I find for pillar links.

    I will still links on them because I don't have multiple money sites right now.

    It's so bumming the way things are overhyped in the IM circle. One blogger has to write it and suddenly everyone is writing about it.
     
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    Seriously guys
    If your going to go to the trouble of building and maintaing your PBN
    Then make sure your money site or especially your niche, is worth the trouble.

    Research Your Niche before you start
    Make sure your money site is evergreen
    Don.t rely on only one money making keyword, the more high search money keywords you have, means you
    can be making money quicker and still be able to continue strengthenig your PBN
     
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  18. s14blackhat

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    Basically this is how I am understanding after all.

    Cheap/Low DA/PA/TF/CF/few good backlinks PBN sites with a couple of articles -> target intermediate keywords
    High DA/PA/TF/CF/great # of auth. backlinks PBN sites with a couple of articles -> target competitive keywords

    If you want to be risky and create churn and burn sites? link multiple money sites on each PBN and let it decide whether getting hammered by Google or get lucky and stay low under the radar(manual reviews).
     
  19. bakerskater23

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    Hey, I think I know what you mean as I found domain + hosting expensive too. You could get a dot tk domain for free or xyz domain from namecheap for only $0.30 or less. Then create your website on a free wordpress blog/blogspot or googledrive if you want to do it with html. Forward your domain to the website you created (and choose the option to mask/cloak the redirection) I don't know if this affects ranking though.
     
  20. Aatrox

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    I've been linking to more than one site, 2-4 not more and didn't see any problems. I did got hit by Google, but it wasn't a link penalty nor are my PBN domains deindexed so I guess it's fine. You don't overdo it, know your limit and you should be fine.