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Isn't it better to 301 redirect PBN's than link from them?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Poker Rakeback Mafia, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. Poker Rakeback Mafia

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    Rather than getting an expired domain, putting a website on it, and linking to your money site from it, wouldn't it pass more juice to simply 301 the purchased expired domain to your money site?
     
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    No install a 301 all 404 pages plugin and link from the homepage using a relevant anchor would be better than 301 the domain... In my experience
     
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    These days, Google treats bulk 301 redirects as soft 404s - so if you use a plugin to mass redirect all backlinks and 301 the domain, the results may not be what they used to be a couple of years ago.

    301 redirects can still pass a good deal of authority - but you will still need links from high authority, relevant domains.
     
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    I don't disagree about needing more links for juice and diversity, but you would anyway if all you had was one PBN link from the domain.

    What i'm getting at is, surely the 301 of the whole domain will be more powerful than a single link from the said domain?
     
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    Google is sort of catching on to that and the 301 redirect, although it still has value and probably always will, is not the highest and best use of a domain these days.

    It is still beneficial to 301 some domains as it is a natural occurrence in the "real" world but I don't find it as powerful as it was in the past.
     
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    This may not always be true.

    A "real" website can continue to grow naturally over time and have organic traffic from Google. So over time, a real website tends to grow in authority.

    This isn't always true of domains that have been redirected. Redirected domains should naturally tend to lose authority over time.

    301 redirects may not be as powerful as they once were.
     
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    But still more powerful than a single link?
     
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    I guess only Google can answer that question with 100% certainty :)

    Here's my take on this ...

    A 301ed domain is a dead domain. It's been moved permanently. So you would not expect it to grow in authority or get organic traffic for a long time. You would expect it to deteriorate over time. So the value of the redirect should also deteriorate over time.

    On the other hand, if, instead of doing a 301, you built the site, added fresh content and did what's required to be done to grow a site - you would expect the value of a link from that site to grow over time.

    So over time, the value of the link would tend to increase while the value of the redirect would tend to decrease.
     
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    I would prefer to get an anchored link from the expired domain rather than 301. The reasons given above pretty much sums it up.
     
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    @Nargil , your help is needed here.
     
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    My help is not neeed here @pipi13 :)

    Basically, unless you have strong, really strong domain with super related anchors, then don't bother with 301 redirects. You will rape your anchor texts and screw up your backlink profile.

    I do not remember one person who came to me asking for a domain for 301 redirect, who would even successfully executed the technique. Not worth the bother unless you 100% know what you are doing.
     
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    We'll sorry, I thought you had a good insight about 301's and redirects. :)
     
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    Nah, it's fine mate, keep doing it, I appreciate it :)
     
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    if its about 1 or 2 domains than no doubt 301 is better than get a single link from them
     
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    You have X reputable members (me excluded) telling that 301 is not what it used to be and that they do not advise to use it, yet you have the balls to say "it's no doubt better to use 301". It's this kind of posts that people want to hear and they stick with them and then there's 50 threads a week here asking about 301 redirects.
     
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    301 vs. PBN, PBN wins, period. Doesn't mean these kinds of redirects have zero effect, but the extra effort to build a PBN is well worth it, especially since the most expensive part isn't hosting, design or content, but the domains themselves. Why waste these gems for 301s? If you don't want to build the sites yourself (hell, yeah, boring), got to a site like onlinejobs.ph, there are loads of qualified people who will happily be your VA for setting it up.
     
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    That's terrible advice. You shouldn't be allowed to post anymore. Google will flag that and probably devalue everything.

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    301 is strongest, but as Bass mentioned, they've begun cracking down on it. It's not useless in my opinion, but I think with googles tech they have the ability to know if the sites are related enough to pass the link juice. I'm also sure the domain age and content go into it's algorithm. Like if a site is five years old, ranks for numerous keywords, and gets 301d to same content and similar site, juice will pass for sure. Google doesn't want to screw the people that actually want to do it the right way. But I'm sure they're now able to atleast somewhat identify fake 301s. That's why I avoided it for the longest time, it was just too easy to spot, or atleast eventually spot.

    I just did my first 301 and didn't see much from it. I haven't built many links, so Id ont' know if it will rise up the rankings faster, but definitely didn't give it much boost yet.

    I would probably have used it for a PBN if I could go back. And I tried to disguise the 301 site to look like what I was going to be forwarding it to.

    301 = More Power = More Risk (of not working)
    PBN = Less Power = Unstoppable if done right (just isn't done right 95% fo the time)
     
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    i forgot to mention if both site have same niche than 301 is good
    may be people can be confuse but i also not advise any1 to do 301 because it's too much risky for site.

    if i have to do 301 than few things i check before do

    1. Niche
    2. Link Profile & Anchors
    3. Domain metrics ( DA, PA, CF, TF , Age)
     
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    I do both, and it works dam good if done the right way. Don't know what you're doing and surely you'll fuck things up.