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Isagenix - Anyone had any experience?

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  1. partymarty4870

    partymarty4870 Elite Member

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    Has anyone had any experience with http://www.isagenix.com ?

    It's more of your standard pyramid/ponzi scheme than an online thing, but they give you an affiliate website so I thought I'd ask here.

    Now before anyone starts attacking me, it's not me. It's my wife that's been brainwashed by it all. She's signed up, paid the fees and bought all the "products". I wouldn't be so stupid. She's usually a very intelligent woman, in fact we wouldn't be where we are today without her brains and especially her sales skills. Thats why I didn't shoot down the idea and refuse to be involved.

    To me it looks like a pretty pathetic pyramid/ponzi scheme, growing from selling the evergreen idea of "easy weight loss" through "natural detox" and "colon cleanse" to now claiming to have a "fountain of youth". To my wife they look like quality products that will live up to their claims (if they actually made any claims that didn't start with "may").

    It's mainly an offline thing, preying on bored rich fat and old housewives, but I figure if my wifes going to put time and effort into it the least I can do is try to shovel some of the shit online. I've been sitting on a pretty amazing .com.au for a few years now, that I always had planned to sell to the highest bidder (and had knocked back $1000 for). So I've given her that, as well as set up her affiliate site. I've done all her business cards, DVD covers, logo's etc, and will be finished her actual website soon. So basically (including our time) we're in this shit to the tune of about $5000 so far.

    I'm not after any methods - I'm old enough and ugly enough to work these out for myself. Just a few "yes - easy sell" or "no - I wouldn't touch it again" comments to motivate me.
     
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    I have quite a few friends who had amazing success using their products and program. I just don't know how it works after you use them.

    I was thinking same thing as you, how can I $$$ off this.
     
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    My wifes having (alleged) success as well - thats why she's into it. I just seriously doubt it all. When you really research the company it just has SCAM, PYRAMID and PONZI written all over it.

    I'm also almost certain that the logo is a version of AllAdvantage - a toolbar that displayed ad's while you were on the net back in the late 90's. I earned a heap from them because I had internet cafe's back then and had it on every machine. I just set my sttaff up under me and they were signing up people daily. I must have banked about 20K before the checks stopped coming.

    But back to Isagenix - when you really look it's impossible to find a good word about them that isn't written by themselves or an affiliate. In fact your's just may be the first positive one on the whole internet!
     
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    I met a guy on the Gold Coast who was peddling the stuff about 18 months ago, and it seemed like good stuff. I spoke to him about 6 months after our initial encounter again, and he *claimed* that of the people that he started on Product B, >90% were still buying it. If this is the case, I reckon it's a bloody top business... the message that Product B sells is certainly and easy message to sell, particularly to anyone over 50 :) I'm not sure that an online affiliate model is the best way (just my bias coming to the surface), I'd be more inclined to hit the ground with Product B and sell it to all who care to listen, because if it really does have a retention rate that high they must at least feel like it has some effect. The problem is, of course, that people will rarely buy prevention, they'll more often buy a cure - hence I said the over 50's were lapping it up.
    EDIT: Note that my perception of the entire business is based on a story from one chap, who was indeed trying to sign me up, too :p Though I do remember seeing (on 60mins, I think) a story about the anti-aging benefits of messing with telomeres, which I've just remember while looking at the Isagenix site after my initial posting
     
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    Thats the one that got my wife - Product B. And as we are in our early 40's and fairly affluent we are the target market as well as all our friends and associates.

    I just can't bring myself to do it. Even if the science behind it is good, and even if the product works, it's still $120 a bottle, and you still need one a month. AND IT"S STILL JUST $2 WORTH OF HERBS THAT SELLS FOR $120. Thats why I'll only help online and have banned her from talking to my friends and family. But she's my wife and I love her and will support her to the best of my abilities.

    I giggled when you mentioned the Gold Coast - Isn't that where all these things start?
     
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    Indeed, "more sharks on land than in the water", "a sunny place for shady people", etc etc :p

    It was indeed quite pricey, but I remember that a significant portion (is it $50?) goes back to the affiliate. I think that if people truly do stay on it for quite some time, it's a jolly good thing for the affiliate, but in order for them to stay on they really need to *feel* that it's working, and what they've been sold is coming true, and that's the part I'm just not sure about. I've been involved in 'real world' businesses in a similar space to that, and the retention rates when selling preventative pharma products aren't nearly as high as 90% after 6 months. It's a model that really only works if you don't need to re-sell all the time.
    Also - if you have some stock, why not do your own mini double-blind trial? Pick 10 over-60's at random, 'sell' them the benefits as you would to anyone but supply them the product free of charge, and feed half of them sugar pills, and the other half the Product B, and then get their feedback at the end of the month. Then you'll know :)
     
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    the shit still costs us $85 a bottle - I'm not giving it away!

    As for retention rates - I'd also call bullshit on 90% - If she got 30% I'd be over the fucking moon.

    I'm pretty sure that the costs to us go down the more we buy, so the $35 may well be $50 with more "associates" on her downline.

    I also just found out that we can't sell on ebay.
     
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    I think I may just set up another account under her, and then just go really BH with it - that way If I get banned I won't affect her. Because I want to use ebay. And I will use ebay. Whatever they say.
     
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    Is the prohibition imposed by ebay, or by Isagenix?

    EDIT: refreshed after posting and my question was answered :)

    It all comes down to retention... I'm with you on the 30%! I don't think having a bit of stock is bad anyway, one way or another I'm sure you can move it, and you will soon discover what people really feel by your repeat order rate! If the repeat order rate is 'high enough', there are a couple of companies in Sydney that offer cost-per-lead TV ad packages, with no bullshit attached - literally pay per lead. And fortunately, the people you're trying to reach have a habit of watching crappy day time TV in time blocks when ads cost relatively little, so your cost per lead could be quite workable. I'd be surprised if you came out at a zero-cost customer acquisition immediately, but if your repeat rate worked in such a way that by the time those who were going to re-order did so, you'd paid for all marketing, that would be a good thing. And at margins that high ($50+), it could just work :)
     
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    apparently it's by isagenix.
     
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    LOL this shit's such a scam. Then again pretty much every weight loss supplement is bullshit when you think about it, at best you'll get some temporary results. This is the same as pushing sawdust weight loss rebill products IMO.

    Weight loss comes down to long term changes in your diet and exercise regime. Supplements won't really do ANYTHING without major lifestyle changes.. people know this already but I guess they want to be sold a dream.. in the form of a magic pill... so I mean, as long as your morally ok with selling people a crappy product then it seems like a decent way to make some cash. The initial 5k investment is quite concerning though! Where did that money go into? If that cash would have been invested into media buys promoting affiliate offers you could have at least a positive ROI across a bunch of campaigns and steady income already.

    Honestly I'd say if your wife thinks the product works then just let her run with it.. but don't let her invest anymore money unless there's some kind of positive return.

    Detox and colon cleanse are meant to support your health (immune function, nervous system etc..) they aren't geared towards weight loss.
     
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    It is a good buy that can give you immense success if you dedicate yourself on selling your products and programs. However the initial cost seems to be pretty high.
     
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    I just left a meeting about Insagenix at my cousin's friends house. I must say I was impressed. I'd say 30 to 40 people showed up. It's not a scam at all. A few people shared their stories. These were every day people using the products. My cousin knows the girl that set up everything and she is making $14k a month right now and she just turned 23.

    But in order to make money with this you do need to put in effort and treat it as a business. If you know people that are interested in the products then get them to join under you and eventually you'll start making good $$.

    The chick that's making bank is hosting meetups at her house a couple times per week and invites her downline or people interested in it and they all bring people and they bring people.. etc etc
     
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    I'd forgot about this thread, but seeing as it's resurfaced I'll update my situation.

    Apparently it's me or Isagenix as far as my wife is concerned.

    It's like a fucking cult and she will need some serious deprograming when the whole thing goes belly-up (as it surely will - like every pyramid before it)

    But I love her, so I'll let her play and piss away a hundred or so dollars a week. We can afford it, and the product B does seem to be helping her (although I suspect no better than the equivalent herbal supplement that's sold in stores for $7.95 would)

    Basically I have refused to assist in any way, she don't talk about it to me, or try to sell it to my friends. I leave the house and go for a paddle or a fish or to the pub when she has her meetings at home. I just can't be trusted to be around.
     
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    Please post here if anyone who PERSONALLY knows anyone who's ever made a shitload of money from pyramid schemes. I'm not talking like the guy above whos "cousin knows the girl that set up everything and she is making $14k a month right now and she just turned 23".

    I'm talking about anyone you know PERSONALLY who didn't have the wealth before they started and then became wealthy after getting involved. And by PERSONALLY I don't mean the isagenix plant that gets dragged along to meetings to say how easy it all is. I mean someone you knew pre-pyramid.
     
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    Dude it's not a pyramid scheme. I've been in 2 weeks now and I already have 9 people under me. It's NETWORK MARKETING.

    I've only enrolled 1 person so far but I get credit for every single person under me and it goes down to infinity. There's no level of depth cap on it like with most companies. What's cool is the people above you can place people under whoever is under them. That's how I got the 8 people under me that I have no clue who they are lol and all of them count towards your commissions.

    The ONLY bad thing about this is you have to maintain 100 BV (business volume) every 30 days. Which is about $170 to $180 per month that you have to spend to be ''active''

    But once you have enough people under you it pays for itself and you start to profit. 900 points = 1 cycle. 1 cycle = $54

    Those 9 people under me are on Autoship. Meaning every 30 days it will re order for them automatically and ship to them. Giving them 100 BV every month thus giving me the BV since I'm above them. Meaning I am getting 900 points per month on auto pilot which is $54 per month residual income.

    It's not much but I've only been in 2 weeks. I'm thankful to be on a good active team whose got a lot of church people on the team and like to help others.

    You won't get rich over night but if you do this for real and treat it like a business you can make as much as you want.
     
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    I first heard about Isagenix back when I was in the Navy in 2005. One of my shipmates was trying to get everyone involved. He lost a shit ton of weight using it. I'm not into Network Marketing/MLM stuff, but had some experience back in my early IM career. Tough gig. Only a very small percentage of people actually make a full time income from it and when they do it doesn't usually last. The attrition rates with MLM businesses are very high.

    One of my wife's friends has gotten into one of these cosmetic (skin care) MLMs and man he won't shut the fuck up about it on Facebook. He's drinking the cool aid. I tried to talk some sense into him from a guy that has made money in that game, but he wasn't listening. Guess he will learn the hard way.
     
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    And this alone is why everyone should just stay the fuck away from this shit.

    I PERSONALLY know about 50+ people who have attempted network marketing and every one has ended up failing/losing money/hating the company/hating themselves etc (feel free to continue adding)

    I have only ever "met" people at the so called meetings who are "successful".

    I know many successful business people, I have had moderate success offline in the past as well. Not one successful person I know would ever recommend a network marketing scheme. Network marketing is simply not sustainable as a business model.

    Think about it:

    You are recruited (or sponsored as they like to call it)
    They tell you to recruit 10 people
    They tell you to tell your 10 people to find 10 people
    You tell your 10 people to tell their 10 people to find 10 people.

    We are at over 1000 people at just 3 levels. If there are already just 100 newbies trying to do the same as you how long before the entire population of your country are involved. Where does the money then come from as you all have no customers.

    Please don't give me the bullshit about "we operate in 10, 20, 50 or 100 countries worldwide" this just means that there are 10, 20, 50 or 100 times the amount of people being sucked in to find 10 people!

    Sorry for the rant guys but I've seen too many people get sucked into these pyramid schemes (and yes that is what they are, you can dress it up anyway you like) and lose their families, homes, cars, self respect and even one that contemplated suicide!

    The promise of big earnings will only become a reality for a select few in this type of business.
     
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    And probably no better effect than that which would be derived from a sugar pill, sold as $110-per-tablet 'groundbreaking anti-aging cure, developed by Swiss scientists after 50 years of work, and only available by invitation due to limited (and in fact, ever decreasing) supply'...
     
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    I agree that most attempts at 'network marketing' fail, and I too wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

    HOWEVER - I would make the point that there are people who have done very well from it (whether it's any of the 'big' old ones, or the news ones). So that then eliminates the possibility that the problem is the product - the product is already proven to sell well. The only difference that comes into the equation, and therefore creates varying outcomes, is how each individual person approaches it, and how much of a sales person they are.

    I think network marketing is awesome for someone who is truly a natural sales person, and sharp as a tack. All you need is the ability to persuade and influence people, and you're away.
    That said, however, if you have that ability, chances are you won't be working in a 'normal' job living a boring life anyway, and chances are just as good that even if you happen to 'make it happen' with network marketing, you would have been successful with something else anyway.

    So, its the person - not the product. 99% of people do not have the substance that it takes to influence and persuade large numbers of people. That's not a bad thing - it's just a fact.