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Is WordTracker reliable?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by tattoo, May 20, 2008.

  1. tattoo

    tattoo Regular Member

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    I've used the SEO Book Keyword Suggestion Tool and the Free Keyword Suggestion Tool on the WordTracker site, but a lot of times, the numbers they report don't agree with what Google has.

    I would see like 2,000 searches in WordTracker and then go over to Google traffic estimator and see 'not enough data to give estimates'

    So what's going on? I'm inclined to believe that Google is correct and WordTracker is wrong, but why is it wrong? How can it be a popular tool if it's wrong so often? Is there any other service that I can use to cross check the numbers for confirmation?

    Thanks.
     
  2. andrewm

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    I have to agree with your findings. Sometimes I think I've found a spectacularly good keyword then I double-check it on google and there's no data for it.
     
  3. aftershock2020

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    Okay, here's the deal with that...Google only goes by their own internal analytics. Outside trackers like seo tool and wordtracker only sort by the traffic of their users...not the overall search engine results like people think. That's why there is a difference.

    Use wordtracker and seo tool are basic at best...not a tell-all/be-all, written in stone counter.

    The best thing you can do is use google's internal adwords keyword tool...It gives all of the best stats and requirements for google because that is their tool...it's patched into their algorythms.

    Here's the link: https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
     
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    thanks, too bad the google tool doesn't give you numbers though. i guess the only way to know for sure is to test each keyword with an adwords campaign (which can be expensive)
     
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    A free way is to spy on your competitor... if their ad is online for at least a whole week straight, then it is probably making money for the owner.
     
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    i can see how that would indicate that they're not losing money but not sure if it indicates that they're getting any traffic or clicks...
     
  7. Hardmaster

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    Yes,sometime Wordtracker is wrong,but tis most correct keyword service than all others
     
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    Then you need to test.

    If it is getting no traffic/clicks you only lose a few seconds of your time setting up the campaign.
     
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    that's true. you can't lose much if there's no traffic
     
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    The reason you're getting different results is because Wordtracker doesnt get it's source of information from Google. Wordtracker gets it's data from dogpile.com, infomedia, and a list of other search engines.

    Keyworddiscovery.com utilizes Google as one of their search engines they receive search data from.
     
  11. aftershock2020

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    No way, man...the google tool will give the you full spread of predictions/estimations based on the current information from the last crawl through.

    Read up and learn how to use the tool properly with the ' lesson catalog '...

    hxxp://www.google.com/adwords/learningcenter/text/26014.html

    Read that and you will learn how to set the different features in the keyword tool to really get what you need on the information.

    I use that tool daily. Can't give you examples because I'd reveal my niches...don't want to do that, of course...heh.
     
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    thanks for the keywordiscovery, but i can't afford the $50 a month right now.

    i know that wordtracker doesn't use google, but it would ideally at least be a useful proxy for the general amount of search traffic for a certain term. it's implausible that search engines with 1% market share can have 2,000 searches for a term and google with 60% market share has not enough for them to bother counting.
     
  13. aftershock2020

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    Besides, if stats are all you want on the keywords, take the time to look up your competition for the first 3 slots on google under your keywords. Do the leg work once and you'll never have to do it again.

    Check those sites under view source and then compare their live stats and true numbers on spyfu.com..you simply type in the keyword and/or the url and it will open all of the stats currently for you on that given site.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    yeah, i use it too. i see how you can extrapolate the amount of searches based on the estimated clicks. it works well when they have data for a term. but sometimes they don't have data. i can't tell what their cut-off is, what number of searches they need to pass the 'not enough data' threshold.
     
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    I see what you are saying. That is a problem with EVERY system on the market right now. There isn't any way around the leg work of maunally checking those pass-through figures other than old fashion testing.

    Again, check sales function of live tracking with spyfu.com on your competition's sites to tell you how well they are doing in adwords and adsense clickthrough in their given markets.
     
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    I'll check it out. Thanks!
     
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    I've been using it and so far its been pretty powerful. But if you're only advertising in adwords, better go with the adwords version of the story. Since the count of wordtracker and other trackers only comes a percentage of the whole traffic scene and we may never know how many do it in google.


    All the best,

    catz
     
  18. freudianslip27

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    If you are interested I have a free keyword tool and also free video series I did on keyword research. It pulls its data from wordtracker, and allows you to then check your competition and then export the data to a spreadsheet. It's helpful because you can then look at all your results at once.

    It isn't as beefy as keyword discovery, but it is free ;)

    As far as getting weird results, you have to be careful. You need to remember that even the results are best guess estimates, there are other factors going on. I wouldn't even be surprised if there weren't people manipulating some of the results. Sometimes I get a real strange keyword that shows up as getting 100 searches a day but I just can't imagine it to be so.

    Matt
     
  19. doughboy317

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    actually i think wordtracker data is reliable,... the reason when you go to traffic estimator and you see no clicks for it might be because the data is too low on that keyword, like if your key is only getting like 3 searches a day, the traffic estimator data in google tells you what clicks you might get based on how the other advertisers are doing for that keyword,.. it's just an average and if the searches are just too low on that keyword, their's a chance that you might not get an average for that, and their's also a chance that no adwords advertiser are displaying any ads for that keyword, so you probably wouldn't get an estimate for your the clicks if no one's biding on the keyword,...

    anyway here's a quick tip, when you find a keyword on wordtracker and you somehow find your way being curious to see if it actually gets any searches at all on google,.. just go to google's keyword tool (this not the same tool as the traffic estimator) https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal like aftershock said, and enter the keyword you found on wordtracker,.. you look at the category that says "Avg Search Volume", make sure the thing that says match right next to it is on phrase if it's a phrase,.. then look at the bar under "Avg Search Volume" if it's some green in it that means it does get searches, no green means no searches, little green means a small amount of searches and so on, im sure you get the point,.. and don't be scared to utilize keywords that only get a small number of searches because if you use enough of them sooner or later they can start to add up for you