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Is this wrong to do?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by thisismymp3, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    Is it wrong that if you see a competitor trying to manipulate search engines to take his post from a freelancer site describing how to manipulate the search engines and for what keyword terms and pages, and then posting it on google webmaster forum and emailing it to matt cutts and reporting it to the spam department?

    And yes what they are asking is against googles terms.

    I know I'm no rat but its a competitor, so whats to stop me or another competitor ratting him out?

    Hes ranking nationally, is a well branded company and spends a ton of money with them as well.
     
  2. Numbuh362

    Numbuh362 Elite Member

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    seems like a selfish move to me.
     
  3. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    yeah i know they are so selfish. Not me though, i play by the rules. I just want more MONEYS
     
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    Much like 'dobbing' in the playground at school... those who didn't have the skills to mix it with the normal kids resorted to spoiling their party instead. Don't be that kid.
     
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    You obviously think it is wrong or you would not be asking.
     
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    JoeMongan Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Once a rat always a rat and yeah it is pretty pathetic jerking off matt Cutts like that.

    -RK
     
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    lucasbraydon Supreme Member

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    Are you going to take posts off BHW and show them to fat slutts as well?
     
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    DarkCosmos Registered Member

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    How can we trust someone like you now with anything?
    You would sell out another blackhatter to Matt Cutts just
    for your own short term profit and hurt the industry doing it.

    Pretty low
     
  9. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    didn't say i did it..did i ? if your competitor on a public site posted a job and hired someone and showed what to do to manipulate the search engines you wouldn't think someone will bring him down for that?

    moral of the story, watch what you post on freelancer sites and don't post your urls out in the open.

    im not talking about some lame cpa or digital download or ppd site I'm talking about a brick and mortar business, where in the same city they will slit each others throat for a nickel.
     
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  10. negligence

    negligence Regular Member

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    What the hell is going on in this thread?

    I'm pretty sure this is "black hat world", where you take the gloves off? I say if you want to do it, go fucking do it. Nobody in here is going to give you the right answer.
     
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    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    not talking about posts or stuff like that, control your angry face bro
     
  12. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    thanks that was a great response...seeing other peoples opinions on doing things like this
     
  13. Amsterdammer

    Amsterdammer Power Member

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    Nah, it was what you wanted to hear to ease your conscience. :D

    In the end you do what you can live with. I don't agree with ratting out others but that's me, it would cost me sleep if I did.
    All I can say is that it is your conscience that should stop you, or not.
    He made a choice by posting it, you now have a choice too. Doesn't really matter what others say, you will have to go to sleep knowing you did what you did. Be it ratting him out, or not.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  14. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    yep, i have a conscience so good thing i didn't, but that won't stop someone else from, bigger question is this and be honest... if you had a multi million dollar business, would you result to petty, spamming tactics that you post on a freelance site?

     
  15. Amsterdammer

    Amsterdammer Power Member

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    Seems more like an intelligence question. lolz!

    I learned to do the things I can live with. If it is for personal gains like making 10 bucks or not, or 20K, I have rules. A conscience if you will. Then again, hurt a loved one and it all evaporates, I can go to bed smiling for putting someone into ruin.
    You do what you can live with, according to your own rule book. Nobody but you can make that kind of choices.

    Was that honest enough? :p
     
  16. negligence

    negligence Regular Member

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    I'm sorry, where did this high and mighty come from? I agree, we all have our own rule book of lines that we won't cross, but you only speak of the negative regarding his option. Although I personally wouldn't waste the time reporting someone in Google, it's completely fair game to report someone else - even if you are doing the exact same thing. All is fair in love and war.

    Don't think for a split second that there aren't people out there just looking for a way to eliminate competition, and this is how they're doing it. Is it really feasible that Google discovered Anglo Rank's network all on their own? Not likely, somebody saw the abnormal link patterns and turned them in. Is that a good thing? Not in my opinion. Is it fair? Well, this is black hat....
     
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    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    that was pretty deep

     
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    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    isn't it just as blackhat to figure out his method, track him down get him banned and caught in a predicament and do it yourself to benefit?
     
  19. Amsterdammer

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    I don't see a high and mighty attitude. I told him what I would do, yes. He asked for that opinion though. I also told him he should make the choice himself, regardless of what others say. He should make his choices based upon what he can live with. Did you note I have conditions where my rulebook evaporates? Some draw the line elsewhere but that is their choice, not mine.
    There is no right or wrong here. People complain about YT flagging all the time on this forum so he certainly wouldn't be the only one making choices that I personally wouldn't agree with.
    If you feel it is okay to report, go for it and if not then don't. :) Does that clear it up?
     
  20. ArtVandelay

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    I just think you need to take into account the consequences of your actions. Sure, your competitor loses... but you don't win - Google wins. You've ratted out a fellow blackhatter, potentially spoiled a method or asset that you could use yourself, and in the end gained nothing but a short-term solution.

    To me, blackhatting isn't about scamming clientele or sabotaging competitors (negative SEO - this is something that is looked down upon here at BHW).
    It's about using tools and methods to outsmart not just your competitors, but the algorithms that were put in place to tell you that you can't do what you're trying to do. Fuck the big guys. They're the real trouble. The small guys - like us - are just trying to carve out their own little space.
     
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