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Is this guy the proof that Nofollow Links actually are worth something?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by spectrejoe, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. spectrejoe

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    Guy has like 800 links 700 of which are nofollow, big majority of his nofollow links its him commenting on marketing blogs like neil patel, backlinko, etc...

    60-90% of his ******** links are statistic & visitor tracking sites so they aren't even quality links.

    And I doubt he has hidden PBNs cuz I haven't been able to find a single one and he would need plenty to be able to get this kind of traffic (40k-80k monthly UV)
     
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    This has been something I've tested many times. Isolating variables is what screws with any hypothesis, making it hard to come up with a thesis. I'll explain what I mean with the example given.

    The property you speak about still had Do Follow links. The only way you would be able to isolate the variables is if the site ONLY had NoFollows. I've tried to do this, but as soon as the site begins ranking and gaining in traffic, you automatically start ending up in directories and such. Ultimately getting DoFollows on autopilot.

    There was one test I did that actually was able to isolate the variables.

    I had a keyword stuck in about the 6-7 position for a year. The page had no links or social signals. It was a low competition keyword. Competition shouldn't matter. The point I was attempting to prove is whether NoFollow would provide a boost in ranking. Since link juice isn't passed, I can only assume that any ranking gained from a NoFollow would be via co-citation or co-occurrence or some unknown metric in G's algo.

    What I did was link to the page in the 6-7 position from a blog post. But made that link NoFollow. So contextual but NoFollow. Remember this page was stagnant for a year. That one NoFOllow link moved us to #3 almost instantly.

    The blog it was on, was just your normal blog. Probably receiving 10k visits a month or something along those lines. Nothing amazing. The page that linke to us was a new page on the blog.

    So with this test I think that NoFollow links definitely have power. Obviously contextual will have more power than social media. Well at least thats the assumption.
     
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    Nofollow can be powerful, just because Google officially says no link juice =/= no link juice...
     
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    Exactly my thoughts, I also believed that nofollow had no power but after seeing so many websites with 90% nofollow and not even special ******** links in their backlink profile really started to make me change my mind
     
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    Yeah its an iffy subject. If you're at a Google forum or another forum with a ton of bloggers, don't even mention NoFollow having ranking power. You'll be hung. But if you look at whats going on with the web it's asinine to think that NoFollow doesn't send some kind of signal to Google, especially when many bloggers are making their contextual OBL's NoFOllow. Google has an algo, and that algo evolves off of trends and determinations made by programmers based on those trends.

    I can only assume, that Google does notice that a lot of blogs/sites in general are making their links NoFollow, and they CANNOT de-value these links. But thats just an assumption I guess.
     
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    Nofollow links dont pass link juice but they can still help with the hundreds of other things Google looks for.

    Idk about ranking a website with nofollow links tho.
     
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    You should take down the link from your OP. It is against the rule here.
     
  8. spectrejoe

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    Damn didn't know, can't edit it anymore :l
     
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    Agree with you!
     
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    I don't normally bump old threads, but I figured it was better to bump this one than to start a new one about nofollow.

    Consider what Google says about nofollow:

    In general, we don't follow them. This means that Google does not transfer PageRank or anchor text across these links. Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web. However, the target pages may still appear in our index if other sites link to them without using nofollow, or if the URLs are submitted to Google in a Sitemap. Also, it's important to note that other search engines may handle nofollow in slightly different ways.​

    Yeah, you've seen that before. Focus on the bolded part. Nofollow means dropped from the overall graph of the web.

    I just ran an analysis on the most recent 2,000 links reported to one of my sites by Google Search Console. 25% of them were nofollow. These pages, and in most cases the whole domain, have no followed links to my site at all. If, as Google says, using nofollow meant "dropping the target links from our overall graph of the web," then why are earth are they showing up in my Google Search Console? The GSC is, by design, Google telling me where my site is in the "overall graph of the web."

    I've not been able to show, with data, how exactly Google uses nofollow links. But they are definitely counted for something.
     
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    This thread's not old (it was created 12 days ago), but even if it were a month or two old, bumping it to provide relevant information is fine. :)
     
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    is the guy actually ranking because of it though or is he just getting a lot of traffic from those links direct?

    And also if he is doing very well in IM maybe he does have well hidden pbns?
     
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    He's doing alright but I wouldn't say he's doing spectacularly, I doubt he'd have the many PBNs needed to rank his site like this without having a single one of them get caught by the ahrefs/majestic crawler, I know you can block them but it's not like you'd remember to do it to all the domains you have.

    And honestly I don't think people who have that many PBNs would be replying to so many SEO "gurus" in their articles about creating a new site and stuff.

    I've seen so many of these websites ranking with 60%+ nofollow links and 0 "high-quality" dof0llow links that I'm pretty sure that google does use them for ranking in a way or another.

    Hell, these guys outrank my website which has far more links and far more quality links and higher DA (which google doesn't give a sht about but it's just a measure of quality), and they only have nofollow links. Either I'm doing something terribly wrong which I doubt or they are doing something terribly right, or nothing at all.
     
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    Well I also believe they are worth something but maybe they're just tracking in GSC because too many links leads to penalization, regardless of nofollow or d0follow, so they DO need to keep track of nofollow links even if they eventually are worth nothing (which they are 99.9% sure)
     
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    Google says "Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web." If that's true, then there's no reason whatsoever for nofollow links to ever show up in GSC -- not for penalties, not for "link equity" (or whatever the term is now), not for anything. That's especially the case with Penguin 4.0, which Google says doesn't penalize for spam so much as devalue it.

    Yet, since nofollow links are in GSC, we know that nofollow links are definitely part of Google's "overall graph of the web." There's no way GSC has an entire shadow nofollow index for the sole purpose of gaming webmasters. They're being tracked and followed and shown to the webmaster for some reason.
     
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    Well I guess. No way to know without actually doing some testing with nofollow links only
     
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    Interesting. I definitely agree no-follow links have some value. Although they won't pass link juice, they still count for something. Any backlink profile should have follow and no-follow links.
     
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    I did a test once with only nofollowed links to a new site, using a really obscure keyword. It was appearing in google within days.

    Make of that what you will.
     
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    Nofollow links are really important
    as when you will post comments on a lot of blogs
    it will appear like your content is getting viral to google
    and large number of nofollow s will not even affect the site and helps to maintain the ratio as well
     
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    Another proof that this guy doesn't have hidden PBN's and he ranked his site pretty much with only nofollow links (check his backlink profile 0 decent dofallow links)

    Here's a comment from this guy on a SEO related blog...

    "
    Where were you Gotch? I was in search of this. Thanks bro.
    One question: I ordered a gig on fiverr for my two new sites. These gigs were 25 edu links, 50 links from comments, 200 social boomarkings and 6 manual backlinks from authority sites. I think it’s not that much to affect my sites in negative. Right?

    And what about getting a nofollow link from sites like Buzzfeed?
    "

    I'm literally getting outmatched by fiverr gigs. Time to use fiverr, confirmed to be working...

    Kappa.