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Is this acceptable business behaviour? A freelancer overcharged my noob partner.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by JimmyWong, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. JimmyWong

    JimmyWong Registered Member

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    Hi,

    Here's the situation in brief:

    My business partner is in charge with the day-to-day runnings of our new design-marketing agency business. He's great at sales and ethusiasm, but has very little knowledge of the market. However I don't have the time to nanny him non-stop but have entrusted him with making his own decisions on most issues.

    So herein lies our first problem: We wanted some business cards doing for. So, he employed the service of "Jim" his friend-business associate, an average-poor graphic designer, who we discussed and agreed upon that we'd use him should any low-budget graphics and print work come our way.

    My partner txted me today and said: "The design for the business cards is £40" ($70). Fair enough. Sounds reasonable price to me.

    Anyway he sent me the designs, which looked okay - however I could smell something amiss. I had some spare time today to check them out and found them on graphicsriver.net for $6 (obvious). "Jim" had downloaded the psd template and changed a few words around on photoshop. 2 minute job. And charged us £40. Bare in my partner is non the wiser.

    What do you think? Shall I pay this guy Jim for having the balls to blackhat his future colleagues? As we're partners, £20 comes out of my pocket.
     
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  2. Aegroeg

    Aegroeg Regular Member

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    Never you mind.
    Well people have to make their money somehow I guess? Personally I wouldn't take that lying down but I think the way I approach things ( especially online )- I would come off as an even bigger ass than him and make the situation worse.

    Its a case of - Do you let your friend learn from this mistake to do some research on clients first?

    Or do you want to save him from being ripped off before he pays the guy?
     
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  3. QualityContentWriter

    QualityContentWriter Junior Member

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    With ethic like that, he'll never know what it's like to keep clients loyal. I don't mean "let karma get him" but at least he only charged $70 and that's all it cost you to find out he's not worth working with. I would politely let him know of all the future earnings he is no longer entitled to consideration for due to the deception.
     
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  4. toptoptop

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    Pay but tell him that his service is crap.
     
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  5. Duffers5000

    Duffers5000 Elite Member

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    £40 is hardly milking it. Yes you could have done it yourself cheaper but as you just said you don't have the time for that. I wouldn't jump down my partners neck either he needs to be allowed to organise small things himself.

    Personally if I want cheap arse cards I just go with vista print but it's handy to have a cheap designer about if even just to rough up some drafts for clients. I am sure you will get your use out of the guy....like I say £40 fair enough.
     
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  6. Pekton

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    if the designs themselves are worth $70 quality wise to you then it does nt matter if he spent 3 years placing each pixel by hand or outsourced the work for 50 cents.

    $70 sounded reasonable to you, how much it costs Jim to produce them is his business.
     
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  7. illfounded21

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    I personally (rightly or wrongly) would bring it up with 'Jim'. I would tell him that you expect a specific set-standard of work for the money you are paying him, and tell him you know that he has downloaded them and is making a quick buck. I would then say that you will look elsewhere for future work.....

    Haha this is probably because I am in a bad mood, tired and have had a shitty day!

    Aegroeg is right in regard to people have to make money online, at the end of the day the responsibility ends with you guys. Take it as a lesson and move on.
     
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  8. JimmyWong

    JimmyWong Registered Member

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    Thanks for the differing perspectives.

    Duffers, Pekton. You're right - I should cut him some slack. Despite initially being miffed - the cards do look good, and I can't be breathing down my partners neck for making decisions, that had I not been in this game, I'd have been none the wiser for like him.

    Really appreciate it. Thanks given.

    illfounded21 - That's how I felt earlier today. I've decided that when I speak to Jim I'll casually say: "great templates you chose on those business cards by the way", just so he knows in the future I'll be watching him like a hawk, haha.
     
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