TO FORUM MODERATOR: Please feel free to post this in any other section if you think it is not appropriate here. Thank you. Wow! First let me say I am happy there is a forum (voice) for all the Internet Pirates out here. It's been along time coming. Finally some organization. The last best thing like this to hit the web was the Bit Torrent Network. I never even knew what a keyword generator was until I came across bit torrents some three plus years ago. Secondly, The Forum "Contract" (Rules) were so well thought out and intense, I'm still dizzy from reading it's length. I'm surprised there isn't an affiliate link to some law office for contractual consultation and my rights. (Who said I had any rights here? LOL) Thirdly, as a community of financial opportunists I can not blame you. You are the product at the opposite end of the candle burning at both ends. At one end years back, there were the greedy little twenty something a-holes with zero morality. Who took their geek-like skills and went hard to use mail order tactics so they could make some money off the 35 to 50 year old male market who were always desperate to get out of their day to day jobs. So desperate they handed these young twenty something geeks a few dollars just to take a look at what they could possibly offer. That was some twelve years ago. And nothing has changed here, except the language is more personable and the graphics have gotten better. Well with the housing market in the US the way it is, the male audience is even larger than ever (35 to 50 years old) and therefore, the Internet Marketing Gurus (still twenty to thirty something a-holes) have come in droves. Click Bank registered some six to one thousand new digital products in the last three and half months. Gravity Index was at a all time high then back in November. "The 12 Month Millionaire" surpassed almost 800. A brand new Clcik Bank record for the most units sold in a day! Yet something peculiar has started to emerge. This morning I noticed Click Bank's highest selling product had a Gravity Index of only 597.89. So what does it all mean? This unique group is at the other end of the candle. It is the flame that is burning brighter and brighter. It is the flame of "You want to rip me off? Well do ya? PUNK!" Finally, the consumer speaks with a vengeance! You guys don't want "100% Iron Clad Guarantees." You want what you paid for. And take a good look. Like this forum says, "If you must post your stupid idiot ebooks, then do it here." I couldn't agree more. A obvious prediction is Click Bank, and every other digital product selling network will go down the road of Napster. By the time they wake up, it will be too late. An I have come to another more glaring observation: If it is a digital product, software, information, video, or otherwise; is there now way to prevent file sharing? I would love to hear from all of you. You have provided a wealth of information here. I have only stumbled upon your website in a search for something else. My purpose is to confirm the truth about digital files. And therefore realize the future of what people may do honestly to make a living online. It's my belief as I have well proven it in my own tests, if it is a file in digital format, access can be blocked at the server level. Only if the file requires authentication before access. However, if it is a pdf, mp3, video file, or any other digital information product, it can be plagiarized, completely repackaged, and file shared even legally. This leads me to only three categories for future online employment: 1. Sell a service. Membership sites are actually service websites. Same with webcams and even banking. Requires people at one level or another, no matter how automated. 2. Sell software. But only if access is blocked at the server level and authentication requires same IP number as at the time of download and purchase. User looses rights to access if Internet Connection is not present. 3.Sell advertising. The web is one big mashup of traditional print, radio, and television all in one place. Use whatever media required to attract people to see ads. 4. Sell hard goods. Harder to sell, even harder to share. Be an affiliate for, as long as it is not a DVD, book, or CD. After thirteen plus years on the web, I can not see any other money making idea the web is good for. I would like to hear from all in this forum who can add to this very short list. Did I miss anything? Let me know if any one has figured out how to stop file sharing or reproduction of all things digital. Finally, the candle at this end of file sharing dissatisfied consumers will continue to burn brighter. The question for discussion here is, "When it burns so bright as to melt the candle somewhere in the middle, will there be any new digital files to share when each one created is shared almost instantly upon release?" Interesting the way the web balances itself out isn't it? And as effective as the methods of those little twenty something geeks were some twelve years ago; so to are your methods of stopping them cold in their greedy little tracks. You have taught me well. I was going to create real value in the form of video, pdfs, and podcasts, but why? There is no sense in it. Please feel free to jump in on this. There's lots to talk about if we are all to have a future online. Sincerely, Robert Lang Digital Media Producer Chase Global Media P.S. I had a saying I use to say thirteen years ago, "If it has a zero or a one in it, I can have it for free." Am I still right?