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Is there any quick trick to make my site out of Google Sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by wokaka, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. wokaka

    wokaka Senior Member

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    two of my sites are now in Google sandbox. Anyone know any quick trick to bring them out of Sandbox? I know shits and stuffs that lead me to sandbox and I know there must be some tricks other than building manual links and "wait". Anyone might be able to share? Thanks. New here anyway
     
  2. nahid5692001

    nahid5692001 Regular Member

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    Who are you trying to trick? Goooogle? no way dont try or your site will be banned. Just keep putting in new content and move onto another site for a little while and in a matter of few weeks it will be back to normal.

    Everyone gets into Sandbox, its natural nothing to worry about
     
  3. wokaka

    wokaka Senior Member

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    well how about the link building? Should I "stop" the link building process while my sites are still in sandbox? And Im curious how do you differ being penalized for building aggressive links and sandbox? For instance i have new site and I build links (prob) way too much for that site. I suspect my site is being penalized instead of being thrown into sandbox. How to know if I am being penalized or if i'm being thrown into sandbox? Because I had a very similar case and it never went out of sandbox after 3 months so I suspect i was penalized for that site
     
  4. Talsin

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    Keep building at between 50%-75% of the rate you have been at least for a few days. You want google to think you are pulling links in through natural campaigns that it cant quite figure out but you still want them to think that sandboxing is hurting you. That way they wont think you are trying to pull a fast one on them (which you are) and you should get out of the "sandbox" quicker.

    Oh and I dont think there is a difference between being penalized and the sandbox personally. The non penalized version of the sandbox is the google dance surely ? Unless you mean you have been deindexed ?
     
  5. nahid5692001

    nahid5692001 Regular Member

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    No wrong. You need to keep the pace you have been doing before getting sandboxed. Google adapts. If you built 100 backlinks for 1 week consistently each day, Google knows that. The only reason people get into sandbox is because they all of a sudden build 1000 in place of 100 or build 0 links in place of 100.

    So now that your sandboxed, if you stop building links at the rate that you were then google knows you did something wrong. Also sandbox is temporary. When you come back, you WILL be much much better in the SERPS. so there is no reason to stop building links.

    I think you should increase your link building because in a matter of weeks your site will be on the top. Sandbox is a good thing.
     
  6. Yukinari84

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    Here's a way that has always helped me not only get out of the "sandbox" but grab any of my 1st page listings back in a flash:

    1. Add some new content to your site. A nice 350 word article or works fine.2

    2. Add 1 or 2 outbound links withing the content that points to some authority sites. I like to use wikipedia or news sources. make sure the content you are linking to is relevant to what you are writing about. So if you are putting up content on "dog training collars", do to wikipedia, search "dog training", and grab a link for a relevant article and use it.

    3. Ping your site/blog.

    This trick has always worked for me. Another tip is to search Google instead of wikipedia for related stuff on authority sites and use content Google has indexed. Both ways work fine though.
     
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  7. wokaka

    wokaka Senior Member

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    Hmm thanks for the tips guys, yo are all cool hehe
     
  8. russaus

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    Proof he is wrong?


    This is debatable. Unless, you're an engineer at G and can give us more information on this part of the algorithm?


    Where is the evidence of this?

    100% incorrect. I'd like it more if people actually read about the sandbox effect and its existence and the reason behind it (if it does in fact exist).

    Again, this is your opinion and NOT fact. Unless of course you are a G engineer (question above)?

    How do you know he was building GOOD links in the first place?


    TL;DR

    Your reply was based on your personal opinion, yet you stated it all as fact. That's not really useful information to people, especially if you are portraying it as fact. No offence or anything - input is appreciated and discussion is good.
     
  9. russaus

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    I actually prefer to drop all efforts on a domain that has been sandboxed and move on to the next domain.

    We build out about 50 or so unique websites with unique content on new domains every day. We link them together quite strategically in an automated manner based on context so all links are relevant and contextual from source to destination.

    When we get a sandboxed domain, we build the relevant links in and the links out and leave it. When it exits the supposed "Sandbox" we continue building on it with content and links.

    Bottom line

    If you can afford to move on and work on another domain and you have put some good content into the domain and there relevant and quality links inbound you have nothing to worry about and you will exit the sandbox.

    PS. There is no ELSE part to this. If you doubt whether your site and IBLs are not good quality then wait until the domain is in the clear. Not worth spending more money, time, effort when you could be preparing the next site(s).
     
  10. wokaka

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    Well you said you build networking from your own 50 sites, I wonder do you use different IP for each site or you use the same server?
     
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    patience is a virtue my friend. WHat I mean that with the time your site may be de-sandboxed
     
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    Sounds like everyone here has a lot of OPINIONS, but nothing to back it up. What I tell my kids about many things applies in this instance as well. It doesn't matter what you THINK! If you are going to express an opinion, at least be able to back it up with SOME PROOF. All this "yes", "no", or "I think" is just talk by immature (and inexperienced) marketers.
     
  13. russaus

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    The evidence of the existence of sandbox is out there. Google employees hint at its existence too. However NOBODY here on BHW knows the precise mechanism of it's algorithm or functionality UNLESS they are a Google engineer/employee.

    You can also ask Matt Cutts this question about sandboxing directly on twitter. He'll answer as long as you're a credible user. I get answers from him all the time on important questions.
     
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    Yes of course we do.

    We're even experimenting with different registering domains at domain registrars and originating country registrations (tunneling to or using proxy registrations).
     
  15. wokaka

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    Isnt it enough to just protect domain privacy?
     
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    possibly. possibly not.

    however since we create about 130 websites every month, we don't take the chance, we register linked microniches across several registrars. so far this year to date we've been slowing down but we launched 423 MFA sites.

    Therefore if G ever decided to categorize our sites and then check the registrar and whois they can't (with any certainty) determine our efforts to be suspicious.
     
  17. hayw0027

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    Its been ages since I heard of the Google Sandbox, I thought that hoax had died out. People look way to far into things they read on forums, its a huge game of Chinese whispers and nothing gets in the way of a good story.

    A new domain has simply got 0 authority and 0 trust from Google when its first registered and indexed. With 0 initial backlinks, its what you would expect since Google calculates its trust rank using backlinks.

    No such thing as the sandbox, your site just doesnt have enough authority and trust from Google to rank for your desired keywords yet. You can totally avoid this problem by casing the longer tail. Longer keyphrases, less comp, bookmark it and you will get good rankings every time, Chase them for the first few months while your site builds trust.

    And this crap about link building consistency, define what is natural link growth, 5 or 500 links in a day, Google wont flinch. Its when all the 500 links point to one page on the site and all consist of the same anchor text, thats what raises red flags at Goog. Think about it, if link growth consistency effected rankings, the SERPS would be chaotic. The link growth to websites that announced big news stories like MJ's death, Tigers Nympho Addiction, etc , etc. Link growth to them would be in the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands in days. Dont see them getting sandboxed do ya. A link is only counted by Google once the spider crawls that link. You may have got 500 links in 1 day but you have to realize that it will take days, if not weeks for all those links to be crawled due to where the link is situated in the site structure.

    From what your saying, and if your rankings have dropped all of a sudden and wont come back, you might be mistaking a dupe content filter for the so called Sandbox. Are you using wordpress to develop your sites? if so then im pretty sure its a dupe content filter. You have to be careful with wordpress coz Google dupe filter can bite you when categories and archives are indexed. Avoid dupe content filter by making the cats and archs display only summaries or excerpts.

    I had dupe content trouble when I selected one of my pages to be the static homepage, this means the domain.com and the domain.com/page were indexed with the exact same content. The page wasnt auto 301 because I had it in the sidebar navetagtion also. Just request that the original page be removed from the index using webmaster tools. Its a pain that Goog cant decide what page to rank so decides to filter out both.

    A new websites internal linking structure is also critical in the first few months of development. I develep my sites so that no content page is more than one click from the homepage or any other content page.
     
  18. wokaka

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    How do you cheat the domain registrar kind of thing?

    @hayw0027 -> well i do believe it exist since I had a site which was ranked nowhere in its main keywords then after around 6-7 weeks it suddenly ranked in the top 20 (from nowhere in top 1000). And if wordpress is dangerous, why there are tons of sites that can rank well in competitive keywords by using similar web structure one to another?