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Is there any hope left?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BottingWorks, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. BottingWorks

    BottingWorks Regular Member

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    I started SEO etc on my site about a month ago, just under.

    Within 2 weeks I had one of my keywords ranked #1

    Two of my other keywords didn't rank for a while then started at below #200 then steadily moved into #100+ - Now they're both starting to drop, pretty much everyday.

    Is Google punishing me for my blacklinks? Is there any hope to reviving the increase?
     
  2. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    The google dance is quite normal.

    A site ranks right up there almost straight away (annoys the hell out of established sites in the niche - the webmasters come on here and moan" how can this crap be outranking me - it's only 2 weeks old - google must be mad" .... QQ... blah blah)

    Then the new site sinks - for 1-3 months is quite common. (or the site you have just started promoting doesn't have to be brand new)

    You keep adding content
    You keep building links

    It comes back. Google dance happens to almost everyone.

    Keep the faith brother

    Scritty
     
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  3. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    Don't sweat the transient drops ad rises, the search engines are continually trying new things out, while competitors are doing the same to rise in the rankings. If you need steadier long term traffic, keep adding content and links, and add non-SEO tactics (video, yahoo answers, et al).
     
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    illfounded21 Senior Member

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    There is always hope.
     
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    Marcink99 Power Member

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    maybe you got to the point where you overoptimized your site and each links is shooting in farther down?
     
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    Foggy101 Junior Member

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    Too much SEO isnt good, maybe your at the point were all the SEo you're doing is getting you negative effect.
     
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    bertbaby Elite Member

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    How about adding some quality content, you know you got to feed that fricking penguin!
     
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    redclover BANNED BANNED

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    That damn penguin is causing allot trouble these days. Their is Hope though OP !

    RedClover
     
  9. BottingWorks

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    Thank you Brothers!

    I'm going to work towards only appling the highest quality manual links, had enough of the spammed crap for a while.

    Content has always been a problem due to many reasons, but it isn't the main thing affecting me.

    I'm going to spank that Penguin from Rank #1 for all my keywords, then we'll see who's boss!
     
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    "a month ago". A lot of the BHers here have started it 3 - 5 years ago and they still go through the mess.

    Yes, there is always hope.
     
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    I like what bertbaby had to say about new content. It doesn't all come down to new content, but certainly building additional content can help matters. The dance will always be a dance and unfortunately not ever site ranks the same... That is probably one of the more frustrating aspects of building websites. While the formulas work, it is not a static formula that works the same for every site built. Varied link, content and user engagement all will help as well. Hope this helps! Shawn
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I love dancing.

    But can Google please rank all my keywords #1 please. Haha!

    -- I was actually surprised I jumped in so high, would of preferred to be landed around 300, then have to work my way up slowly.

    Then again, if Google made it easy for sites to be ranked with hard work, then we'd actually get what we wanted from Google search. Rather than all the rubbish it spews out! Hahahaha.

    GIMME MONEY SON!
     
  13. bertbaby

    bertbaby Elite Member

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    The Google dance includes a higher rise in the ranks at first that what you're going to settle in as because Google likes to catch what is now and wow. It gives new content an immediate boost and then it settles down, all of this to account for trending.
     
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    Going from 1 to 100 does not sound like a dance. Sounds like a smack.
     
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    Went from 1 -3 // 100 - 220 // 150 - 300

    On my three main keywords.
     
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    If google get you it might punish you as well like this. So be careful all the time about this fact and try to do something that would not make any problem like this. Before doing anything try to understand what might happen next.
     
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    And how do you know that?

    Older bigger websites get away with more. And the divide between "older and bigger" sites and "newer and skinnier" sites is only getting larger by the year.
    You can't affect age (except by waiting) but you can add content.

    Linking to unsullied URL's after a slap is one of the most effective ways or regaining SERP's
    Unsullied URL's are fresh new additional ones.

    Admitting content is an issue but not THE issue could be a mistake. Content is always a big part of the picture.

    Speaking as someone who gets 10 or more emails a day from my own members asking me to review and help them with their sites and analysis - and then seeing the results of taking recommended actions 12 weeks later - I can assure you content nearly always plays a big part in the solution

    That is despite nearly every webmaster who comes to me initially thinking that - and telling me ..... "content isn't the problem" I hear that all the time - and most of the time the person saying it is proveably wrong.

    Here's a couple of analogys for you;

    I play poker online and off. I generally win. I find online poker quite easy at lowish stakes (50c/$1 blinds and below)
    People think there is a big "trick" to it. That there are some really sneaky backdoor rules - or even cheats. There aren't
    Knowing the hand ranks, knowing position and knowing the difference between a drawing hand (and a call) and a raising hand (to get prospectors out of the pot) is about all there is to it
    Other than the ONE THING that NO-ONE wants to admit to....and that's PATIENCE (because that is what they find boring)

    The overweight guy who blames his issues on "metabolism" a "genetic defect" or whatever... Sure that applies to some. But so many people claim that's the root cause for their mass issues. For most it's the fact that THEY EAT TOO MUCH (but diet and exercise are boring and not what they want to do)

    The biggest difference between success and failure in IM in general terms?
    The ability to follow simple rules and create content. Except the one thing that no-one wants to thinkis the problem
    THEIR ABILITY TO CREATE AND POST GOOD CONTENT (because they find that aspect of IM boring)

    In fact in just about everything in life that is worthwhile it is the onerous part of the job that earns the most.
    It's the difficult and dull part, the bit that people will avoid that all costs that is so often the difference between success and failure


    Look at it another way..Even if content isn't your problem - I GUARANTEE it can play a big part in a solution.

    Just advice.
    Good luck buddy :)

    Scritty
     
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