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Is there a doorway pages for idiots guide?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gypsydogg, Sep 27, 2008.

  1. gypsydogg

    gypsydogg Regular Member

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    There are so many threads about building doorway pages and different wizards and programs to use, then xrumer, which is impossible to find cracked. Any advice on how to do doorway pages from start to finish with advise of the different programs that have somewhat of a reputation? So far I've what I've read is get content, use a program to generate the doorway page, and "spin it" a few thousand times, then use xrumor. Now...what exactly did I just say?? :confused:
     
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    Start of with some good and easy cloaking software like kloakit..create content for it by going to wikipedia-spin the text using free markov generators online-...make a site with 800 good looking pages with original text...then go to your next step in however you are going to get the pages indexed/ranked.
     
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    I realise that you mentioned a doorway page generator and not a cloaking software per se..
    but..hey..for the $..most of the doorway page gen dont stack up to decent cloaking software in my limited experience..
     
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    What is the consequence of using cloaking and/or doorway pages? I know they can get you banned from SEs but what about the site they are pointing to, do those get dropped as well? Is it best practice to create an alias site and create doorway/cloaking pages to that alias site that would then send people to your money store?
     
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    Doorways and cloaking aren't really for noobs, I mean, yeah you can install it on your server and be cloaking in a few minutes. But like anything else if you lack understanding of how it really works or how to utilize them, they are pretty worthless and you will probably have the sites banned soon after they are listed, causing you a lot of headaches.

    I started doing doorways more than 10 years ago and cloaking a little over 8. I'm just speaking from experience.

    There's really no holy grail, instant greater than full time income online. It's going to take time or money to do it, most likely both before you have some real success.. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    depends on your definition of noob....I'm a guess a newbie blackhatter, but dabbled in whitehat for about 5 yrs
     
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    Noob to means you don't know what you're getting into, and don't understand how whatever it is works.
     
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    well then I guess that brings me back to my original question? Is there a guide, cuz you gotta start somewhere.
     
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    I am a little confused also. Lots of info here on the subject, its just putting it all together and going with the proper methods that is difficult.
     
  10. kandor

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    Research what programs are out there if you don't know.
    Then see what people write about each one of them by searching for the specific name.
    Then see which one fits your needs.
    Why I am not suggesting anything is because you need to know first what you want to achieve and then the software that can help you achieve it.

    If your a programmer, then start to research how they work, what kind of redirect methods there is or are you going to maybe use onsite cloaking that is not recommended to do if your not 100% sure what your doing.
    Also you need to consider the risk and see if your willing to take it or not.

    Really research is the key.
    There is no definitive guide.

    But if you find something that is going to work for you and you think it will then make a new thread and write about what your trying to achieve and tell what program your planning to use and see what the reaction is. See what responses the thread gets and learn from that and take action after.

    Kandor
     
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    I will add because I re-read your post, and as kandor said do research, there's no straight up answer because there's so many variables and ways to do things. If you get an answer from someone saying Do X then X then X with this software and this software, guess what?

    It don't work like that. If it did, everypage in g00gle would be spam results like we saw a few years ago. Everyone took the exact same system and made millions(probably hundreds of millions) of pages, people made a lot of money for a bit then it all went to shit.

    On top of that no one who successfully does this is going to tell you or give you their software, maybe smaller scale operations will because it's profitable for them, but in reality, no one's going to sell you something for anything you could afford in your lifetime if it's making them a million of dollars a year, and if they do, it isn't going to work simply and you're going to have to go all into the thing with everything you've got.

    So... Back to your question

    Xrumer is used to get links in forums automatically.

    You don't want to spam a good whitehat domain it will get banned.

    So you generate doorways (usually with cloaking which means what gbot and other crawlers see is NOT what the end user sees, they see the page you redirect them to.

    You then use Xrumer to sp@m your doorway pages.

    That is the basic concept to doorways and cloaking. Though the terms have been intermixed a lot over the years and now you read about cloaking and 50% of the people will think it's about hiding your affiliate link while the other half who have been around the block think you're talking about showing something to a spider and something else to the end user.
     
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    OK, here is my situation, I have an ecommerce site, that is only getting about 200 visitors a day. Driving me nutz! So I need to get to about 5000/day. So I was thinking of doing doorway pages, and this article spinning thing and creating my own affiliate type sites. Cloaking as I have known about it was to hide and deliver different content. I just want to make sure my main ecommerce site doesn't get banned by the all the SEs. I really don't understand why there isn't a straight up answer. Bottom line is I want Traffic!
     
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    So I was thinking of doing doorway pages
    Okay
    and this article spinning thing
    For content for the doorway page?
    Some of them make their own based on keywords you include.

    and creating my own affiliate type sites.
    Lost now..I thought you wanted to increase traffic to a ecomerce site..
    Cloaking as I have known about it was to hide and deliver different content.
    Back to cloaking again..yeah..yes..different content to what the final destination landing page is..sure..but content that has the same theme as the landing page, with a url with the keyword in it as well.
    I just want to make sure my main ecommerce site doesn't get banned
    Then dont cloak pages pointing too it. :)
    Make a replica site, with whatever signup/buy this/click here etc that you are trying to get customers to do on your white hat site.
    Send your cloaked traffic to that..leave your white hat site alone.

    I really don't understand why there isn't a straight up answer.
    You now have the straight answer..
    Bottom line is I want Traffic!
    dont we all..
     
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    YES!!
    This sounds about right....I want to make a replica site that points to the whitehat site when they click on anything really. I want to spam the shit out of the replica site.

    1) are there any programs or scripts to create replica sites like that.
    2) the gloves are off on the replica site, what is the best method to spam to my replica site....Any advice?
     
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    What is your whitehat site based on? I mean what content management system.

    It is pretty easy to copy a site and all the databases and install it somewhere else on a different domain and with a different name.

    After you have done this I would still not make the blackhat link building to this site as that would get banned pretty fast anyway then.

    But make doorway pages that uses affiliate links to this site.

    Or just run affiliate links on other domains as doorway pages redirecting to the site you have today.
    Make sure that you put the doorway not on the same hosting and make sure to have a private registration for the doorway page.

    Or use free hosting for the doorway pages.

    How ever, another question that you need to answer to your self is, is there enough traffic for your site so that it could become 5000 / day?

    F.ex. if you have a site with limited amount of products, you need to keyword research them and see how many keywords there is for your site, then see how many searches they get and see what the competition is on the keywords.

    Don't forget keyword research as it is very trivial in getting a success or a failure.

    if you want I can take a very fast look on the keywords for you if you PM me the sites address.

    Kandor