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Is the Doom and Gloom in YouTube section real ?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Capo Dei Capi, Mar 12, 2017.

  1. Capo Dei Capi

    Capo Dei Capi BANNED BANNED

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    In the YouTube section people are making it seem that its so easy to get banned from YouTube for no reason. Is this really true, or people just not telling the full story about what they did on Youtube?
     
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    It look so from reports seen here.Channels are getting banned for same message "spam and misleading content" .
     
  3. Hawkster

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    Not seen a single one that was banned for literally no reason at all.

    The threads always start with 'for no reason' then as the questions come in it becomes clear they broke the terms
     
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  4. Capo Dei Capi

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    They are saying that they didn't do spam, or misleading title or fake views,likes, subscribers or copyrighted content. They are claiming that if you do well on youtube and are a small channel youtube bans you to take the money.

    It doesn't make sense that youtube would just start banning accounts because they were "small".
     
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  5. Zwielicht

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    People always say they get banned from somewhere for "no reason". While YouTube certainly has some issues and does ban people for no reason (I can't find any references at the moment, though I've read articles in the past about this happening to some high-profile people), I'm willing to bet that the majority of the people claiming there was "no reason" failed to read YouTube's TOS. You know, the same way they fail to read Adsense's TOS, or Facebook's TOS, or BHW's TOS?
     
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  6. BreaknBrix

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    No, they're stupid... trust me.

    I've had countless videos banned and at least 90% knew immediately why they were banned.

    Then there's always a small few that will puzzle even experienced marketers.

    Like videos where I try real hard to subvert or hide any buy signals in the video (especially on new accounts). And those specific videos look "sterilized" when they're done... nice and clean. Then I upload them and people start bitching about random things I didn't expect. Like I intentionally talked up something (a solution to a problem) then I just drop a trail of bread crumbs. So I'm not saying "click the description" or "buy this" but I'm framing the entire video so people are forced to do exactly that.

    And then the video gets banned. And I can't say exactly WHY. I can point to other channels doing worse than me. But what I miss, what a lot of people miss it this...

    On youtube EVERYONE is trying to sell something.

    Go on almost any channel with just a small following. Like 100-250k subs. Then click their descriptions and look at the links. Many are plastered with links. People selling t-shirts, selling their sites which sell products, their twitters, multiple affiliate deals, multiple other YT accounts, etc.

    And on bigger channels ... take Grant Thompson... that dude plugs products left & right at the end of most his videos.
    You see this on fashion accounts with women you see it everywhere.

    But if YOU or I go on YT plugging products like that... for some reason you're a spammer and Grant's just a great salesman. You get banned and he doesn't.

    And the real reason why? YOU'RE JUST NOT COOL OR POPULAR ENOUGH.... YET.

    It can be hard to understand or easy to understand. But what YT defines as "spam" has LESS TO DO with what you're selling and MORE TO DO with how well you SELL YOURSELF. If you wanna sell shit without getting banned, make people actually LIKE YOU and they won't give a fuck what you're selling. If they don't care YT doesn't care.

    One way I sell on YT is by keeping a personal account I use just to FISH FOR TOP COMMENTS.

    I have a whole system for this and record most top comments I've got in the past, the video it was on, etc. I have a list for my comments and another for swipe from videos I don't really care about. Right now I have around 100 top comments on some huge videos and hundreds more on videos of all sizes.

    When I see a video with an angle to sell anything profitable I start fishing immediately. First I leave a comment then wait a day (or week depending on traffic). I just wait for notifications to blow up. Then I go back & calculate LPH (likes per hour) & compare it to the current top comment. And many times I'll delete a comment with dozens or hundreds of likes. Where it's holding on the first page but slowly dropping down and the LPH is too low.

    So I take 15-20 mins and do a new comment. If it doesn't "bite" immediately I just hit it with 3-5 likes (that's it) and once again it takes off. Watching this process is one of the weirdest but most fascinating things you'll see on YT. And it's really fun too.

    But I recalculate LPH and I can't predict exactly "this'll work" I just get a feeling and most the time it works. Some comments dominate for years others get pushed down in a yr but still drive traffic & sales.

    Then all you do is start learning & selling. Most the the niches are HOBBY NICHES I HAD NO INTENT TO SELL ANYTHING IN. I just land on a new, cool ass video and think "this is cool AF would be much cooler if I did x". The process goes like...

    1) Find a cool ass video.
    2) Videos usually pretty dumb but people love it (example: last week I saw the "How To Make a $5 Tazer Gun" video).
    3) Then I think, "You know what? I'm gonna do this too.. but I'm gonna add something much cooler and will monetize it".
    4) Then I start fishing for top comment. And remember, your top comment only needs to be barely related to what your selling. What's related to the video you sell under it.
    5) That gives you a million different angles to sell from.
    6) A lot of times you can hijack older comments. But when you earn the top spot you can sell much more directly.
    7) Then you drop a hook. Which can be anything, a photo, a comment about something super cool you did.
    8) People start saying shit like "can you make a video?" (and people thumb up that comment) or "how'd you do that?" or "I'll give you $x if you can make me one" blah blah.
    9) Once they ask me for anything, I go into direct sell mode targeting every good comment I see.
    10) Sometimes people make ridiculous offers they're serious about. I had a guy offer $200 to ship him something that cost me $18 and less than 5 mins to make... because I lied and said it cost me $50 in materials and 2 hrs to make. I thought "why not?" Got his addy, shipped it... he loved it. A few days later a younger kid offered $100. I responded "I didn't plan on going into business selling these but if more people are interested I'll do it". Fast forward 2 yrs I'm still selling a stupid piece of "pipe" that I buy in 3 pieces at Lowes & screw together.. but because it's made of chrome and looks cool... and people don't know anything about engineering, that comment is like my own little ebay store.

    And I will sell anything. I don't care if it's a physical product or digital product, don't care if I have to find it or make it myself... don't care if it takes 3 weeks of research to learn some special technique.... don't even care if I like or hate the niche in general.... if the specific topic is cool... if the time opportunity costs are small and profits large (relatively speaking in the long term which noone seems to know or care about) I will make, do and sell anything.

    I also have my own hobby channels that I promote the same way on forums and with top comments. I have spammy channels strictly for spam. Then my main business in local.

    If all my main businesses were somehow smashed tomorrow I'd make a full time income just selling random shit on YT.

    That's 1 thing thats always puzzled me. How the fuck ANYONE can say "I can't make money online" when you can sell anything and everything all over YT. Under every new YT video is a new "shadow economy" to sell anything you want if you just use your brain. People are telling you all over these videos what to sell to them. I think the part most people miss is when you say to yourself "this is worth dedicating some time to" to turn a new (but really old idea) into something TRULY cool & original that people will click, download & buy. Then you wind up with all these accidental side incomes and wonder "WTF? hows this even possible?" ... it's possible because people are A) lazy B) refuse to use their brains and C) impulsive as fuck when they find someone who does actually use their brain.

    BTW, the end of this rant wasn't directed at you OP. I'm talking to all these lazy noobs who claim IM is impossible, it's not even close to impossible you are just a lazy idiot who refuses to learn or test a thing and what's worse IT'S FUN TO DO. Genuinely fun and you get to make $ while you do it HOW ON EARTH can anyone not make money online? That's the real question noobs should be asking themselves.

    ps. A few post slipped in before mine that I haven't read yet.
     
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  7. louiszhao

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    This post is off topic but it is very informative. Thank you! :p :)

    Most of those people just want to express their feeling and find some comfort like those people who make threads about Ad network banning. However, there are some errors when YT is doing their job. People, who do not violate YT's rules, always make an appeal and YT will restore their channels. :)