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Is it the footprint people leaving on PBNs?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by iamsolo, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. iamsolo

    iamsolo Power Member

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    A PBN is designed to do just what you said, directing the juice to the home page or other pages of your/customer's site.

    The problem is that many who build a PBN do not even know what the Seo acronym represent.
    For many "Seo experts", the Seo is like a foreign film without subtitles!
     
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  3. iamsolo

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    my english sucks. What i'm trying to say is backlinks pointing to the pbn are redirected to the pbn's homepage (since they're buying expired domains). I'm not saying about links from pbn to moneysite.
     
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    Well i was using these plugins on my authority sites too and they are not deindexed...

    Why should be improving user experience footprint? 404 redirection plugins are here to avoid " Page Not Found" errors which google used to hate .
     
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    To do pbn links successfully you have to keep on it.. and keep an eye on Google updates and try and get your stuff unique and using plugins widely available isnt really going to help its good for churn and burn though i guess.
     
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    My small and truly private PBNs for personal use have not gotten penalized and i use the 404 redirect plugins. The current wave of mass penalties and deindexing worries me even though i have not been personally affected - so far - but i have the feeling there is something to do with the size of the network and the inherent footprints that appear at that scale, as it appear that semi public networks have been penalized and less small individual pbns. Not sure what those footprints are quite yet.
     
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    Yes this might be one of the many footprint People leave when creating PBN...

    First Nohatdigital and now Nichepursuits with PBN De-indexing Post.
     
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    Okey, now I undestand the point.

    I think this isn't a footprint since anyone is buying an expired domain does not necessarily include it in a PBN (sometimes people use expired domains to create money sites).
     
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    Using Gmail and chrome browser, analytics, adsense and other google trackers on PBN sites is the #1 footprint. You think you're hiding your ID but Google knows all your sites.
     
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    Who is using Google docs for PBN links reports have to be banned from this world lol
     
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    I quit using Chome all together, Opera Next is a good replacement. Firefox finally got their act together and the new one is pretty quick too, I was just tired of getting tracked by Google, and they do track everything.

    Peace,
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    Can I play devils advocate?

    There is nothing or no one saying that you cannot own dozens of sites. There is also no one saying you cannot link back to your "money site".

    The key is that it always comes back to quality. If you have good quality and helpful content on these sites then they will be fine. That is just my opinion.

    I see plenty of authority domains that get the benefit of sites they are affiliated with, look at any number of online education programs. Most of them have links to and from the main university to the "online" version of their programs.

    I dont see why you would get a penalty if you have a car site and then a site about rims and tires, and a site about paint and body and then a site about engine aftermarket parts and then a site about exhaust aftermarket parts and then a site about show cars ALL coming right back to your main car site IF all of the "other" sites are really good, robust sites.

    Now if it is junk content or 1-2 page sites or spun or some other mess than clearly you will lose the value. Build your "satellite" sites with the same care that you do your main site only on a smaller scale.
     
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    Beware opera now uses chrome's engine and it phones back whole lotta info about you.

    Use Firefox + ghostery + other blockers
     
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    ^what about IE?
     
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    Most of the members here target only the Google's rankings so its safe to assume that you'll get along just fine with the IE. If you miss those chrome extensions but paranoid about Google's user monitoring, you can use Chromium based browsers like Comodo Dragon/SRWare Iron.
     
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    It could be any of the numerous footprints. Often, you will find a certain percentage of your sites getting de-indexed and never 100% which suggests a somehow random factor.
     
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    I'm sure it is one of the biggest footprints. I wouldn't do that, the homepage gets enough juice.
     
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    There was months ago (as google started to penelize PBN's) a big discussion on another seo board with the real top seo guys and we all came to the conclusion that its nearly impossible to create PBN's without any footprints.The conclusion was to get rid of PBN's if you are afraid of getting a penalty cause sooner or later you will get it
     
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    Bullshit.

    An algorythm can make connections in logical ways, such as:
    - 10 sites on the same IP range linking to the exact same 50 money site pages.
    - Signed into Google, and running site:domain.com for multiple PBN domains without clearing cookies or logging out (and IMAGINE if you do site:domain.com while logged into a Google account that has the money site in WMT!!).
    - Publishing your links on 50+ PBN sites at the exact same time, all with the same OBL anchor text to the exact same page.

    And so many more.

    Maybe one won't get your network taken down, but say they had a rule where it was: 2xissue#=de-index

    I don't know why everyone is also so suprised when these so called "private" networks get de-indexed.

    The larger the network + the more you sell links on it = larger the footprint.
     
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    That's the main reason imho. Even when the network is hosted in 10 different data centers with different A class IPs because most blogs out of a network linkt to the same new item. Very clear pattern and easy to recognize. To make 10 links in a PBN safely you need an inventory of at least 50 to 100 blogs in your network.