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Is it still possible.. ranking TYPICAL Micro Niche Sites?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SlappinDaBees, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. SlappinDaBees

    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    I've been walking around with this question for a while now.. Started with IM about 2 months ago. My first authority (ish) site is ranking for a couple keywords and it's grinding some adsense money (best days are around ?8). This is nice but maintaining such a site is a pain in the ass imo and I have to admit.. MNS are looking really good at the moment. Just slap 3 or 4 700 word articles on an EMD, pick a ctr and seo optimized theme, throw some quality backlinks at it and DONE. You know, the typical mns stuff.. SET AND FORGET! Would this still be a good way to go for achieving an online income? Or are they just a dead end after the latest EMD update?? Anybody who is still banking with mns?? Any insight is appreciated ;) cheers
     
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    It is still working BUT i would not do it anymore. Perhaps for startup money or if you dont use adsense (footprint) to setup a network just for 1 single website.

    If i where you i would build only 1 big website and a few medium sized websites with not footprints to your main site for trading quality links.
     
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    Smart SEO Senior Member

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    Ill try to explain things as best as i possibly can (im using my phone so excuse my bad grammar)

    I rank niche sites in my spare time when im not working on bigger projects. I ranked one last week making me around $20 is sales commission a day (not too bad) so they still are a great way to make money. But seriously i don't like your attitude towards these sites.

    Firstly you say: "Just slap 3 or 4 articles on the site"
    - Here is your biggest mistake (and it will cost you in the long run). Micro niche sites, semi-authority and full authority sites all need fresh unique content to survive. Treat Google as father and websites are like its children. There are old grandpas (authority sites) and young children (micro niche sites), they both need food (unique content) in order to survive (stay in the rankings). Take away the food, and they die. Its as simple as that. Oh and feeding your website with spun articles is like feeding children with adults vomit (its disgusting and wrong right?)

    Content is MORE important than backlinks, please please believe me. If you think your going to struggle getting unique content, don't start the website god dammit.

    Ok thats all im gonna talk about in this post, typing on a phone is hard work lol. If you find this post useful please click thanks and ill post the rest later when my fingers arent swollen from typing :)
     
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  4. SlappinDaBees

    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    I thought the whole "just slap 3 or 4 articles on the site" thing was the biggest benefit of mns? Besides I'm not entirely agreeing with you since one of my first competitors was a 1 page mns that hasen't been changed for 2 years but was ranking #1 with spammy backlinks. And I'm seeing more mns in the serps lately. But anyway..
    Then how frequently do you update these (micro) niche sites? Also note, I'm talking about really low searched and competition keywords? E.g. a keyword with just 800 searches but a cpc of $2 is something I would go for. Get the EMD (if possible), write 3 QUALITY start articles on the subject and try to rank it. Then I would add like 1 or 2 articles each month, which is not that many with the current 5 - 7 articles I'm putting on my authority site.
     
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    If you are talking about micro niche sitres.
    Yes they still work, however by going down that road it's clear you are running quite definitely against what Google is trying to achieve.
    Aspects of Penguin, Panda and EMD leveling have all been aimed at the reduction in MNS authority (not the whole thing - just aspects of them)

    I doubt these three are the last.

    While quick money can be made still in MNS you should be aware that Google are hunting them down as far as SERP's is concerned.
    But that's no reason not to make money now while it's still possible, as long as you don't start QQing if/when another MNS directed slap comes and possible wipes you out. That's business.


    • Caffeine likes constant updates
    • Panda likes constant updates
    • Penguin does not like ultra targetted links
    • EMD levelling does not like to give benefits to sites that just happen to have an exact commercial term as a URL

    The very nature of MNS is to beneft from muliple soft niches, many sites - quick site build and minimal content to create modest to moderate cash per site.
    With emphsis being placed firmly on regular updates, and link anchor diversity, the nature of these traditional MNS sites is getting harder to rank.
    But against soft competition they still will.

    Remember - In SERPs everything is relative

    • You can do/write/post/link however the hell you like..if your compeition is none existant or doing it worse than you.
    • There is always a"number 1" for every word or phrase, somethimes that will be a great site, other times it will just be the best of a shitty bunch.
    • Hit niches where you only have to be the best of a shitty bunch and make cash.


    Scritty
     
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  6. Smart SEO

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    The "slap a few articles" concept worked 3-4 years ago when content wasn't an issue. People could rank 100's of sites a week. I knew a guy who created a program that would scrape easy keywords, register a domain name, set up hosting, set up WordPress and spin articles which would then be posted to the site. All he had to do was order a 50,000 scarpebox blast for cheap $ and he would rank every time. Those glory days have changed but its also a good thing, if those days still exist most of us wouldn't make a dime because of the amount of people doing it.

    Yeh 1-2 articles a month would be good. But let me tell you, your competition who is ranking number 1 that doesnt update their site will eventually drop down in rankings. Most of the time why low quality sites rank with bad backlinks is because there is no true competition for them to compete with, therfor Google just puts them number one. As soon as there is decent competition (potentially your site) his site will no doubt drop in the ranks.
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Programs like "Wordpress Mage" and systems like "Sniper" did just that.
    They made money for sure - LOT'S of it.
    Not any more
     
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    exactly
     
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    justme111 Newbie

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    It very hard now to rank any minisite. Reverse ranking, deoptimization, penguin safe anchors, etc. And new updates coming every week or month. I decided to create few sites with 20-50 articles, with very low keyword optimization to try. On my old sites (it feels good in bing) I will put this button to help peoples to understand what google is not complete search engine anymore.
    01-use.jpg

    My tip for you to try create new site with 15+ articles minimum and without onpage seo (however be sure what you using at least 3 times your keyword in every article), and use 2+ keywords per article.
     
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    If you want shit to work YOU have to work.
    Its that simple.
     
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    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    I can conclude that the standard 3 - 4 page sites aren't going to cut it anymore. You know, I'm gonna turn this into a little test.. Setup a 3 different sites: one with 15 articles, one with 25 and one with 35
    This will show how big the influence of content is.
    But honestly I just can't see the point of all the hate against (quality, not the shitty ones) mns.. They are often so ontopic, way more than other authority sites, that I find exactly what I need.
     
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    Wow... a lot of people have no glue what they are talking about even though they think they do.

    Slappin: listen to me, yes to ME. You are right, MNS still work and will continue to work. Having a site with x amount of articles mean NOTHING. Google does not care. No need to have useless junk just make your site look big. If your site is only 5 articles and answers the query searched, then that is all the articles you need. :)

    tons of 4 - 5 page sites still ranking very well, mine included
     
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    I have a spare mns keyword with available exact match domain and spare 9$ in iwriter, they are sitting there maybe for an year, I gave up on mns sites, I mean building new ones, my previous ones are still earning, and switched to authority but I just want to make a test to see if they still work for test purpose, I am going to buy a domain and set up the site in the next week.
     
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    I see but how about the new ones.. Most people I've talked to with the same opinion like you are referring to MNS that are created like 1 or 2 years ago. Those sites have the benefit of age before all the update nonsense began. Does a new one stand a chance?
     
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    Guys just check the site of guy who is nr 1 for "how to win at roulette" with an EMD MNS site (he posted it as experiment here on BHW). He is there for almost 3 months with currently 65k scam shitty GSA+scrapebox backlinks.

    Well it is "just" 3,6k exact KW, but he probably gets some traffic from long tail KWs as well...not bad for a true MNS site!
     
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    You got a point here