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Is it safe so say that forum profile links are dead?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Marcink99, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. Marcink99

    Marcink99 Power Member

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    I was very skeptical to see if xrumer profiles have any value. I decided to run a test.(Keep in mind I own xrumer so I wanted to see positive results)

    I did xrumer blast on exact keyword domain ww.farmville.ws with keyword farmville. This particular site has no affiliate links and its only one page. Its a pr1 A week ago yahoo showed 573 links while google webmaster tools 384. It ranked 156 in yahoo and no rank in google.(checked by ibp v11.8.3)

    after a week yahoo shows 1586 links while google webmaster is still at 384(I know google does not update webmaster stats very ofthen)

    current position for the keyword is 144 in yahoo and no ranking for google.

    I created arround 40k profiles out of those 40k 10k was public/ and pinged.
     
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  2. ronywilliam

    ronywilliam Senior Member

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    Direct linking is going to do you more harm than good..! Build Web 2.0 properties... get links from them to your website and blast them with forum profiles..
     
  3. everythingred

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    The above comment is mostly right. They still offer value though, just use an indexing service like Lindexed or BacklinksIndexer.
     
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    Thinks of it like this:

    An fairly new domain, with that amount of links that fast? = Spam

    If the amount of links stays over time, say you spam the site every other day = Should give you rankings sooner or later

    An authority Web 2.0 getting spammed over a time = No problem at all

    There are a few important point's: Link Velocy, Link diversity, Authority Domain + Authority Backlinks, Relevancy

    About the last point, do you put some unique, good spinned articles in your BIO on the profile's?
     
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  5. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    Guys, although most people including me would agree to your comments, the OP did not ask for those wise-ass stuff but wanted to share with us the findings of his experiment.

    Thanks marcink.
     
  6. kazhkaz

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    It has been proven lots of time that profile and blog comment links best work when they link to Web 2.0 which link to main website.
     
  7. milian

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    still work for me. I have only profile links and have lots of position 1 keywords.
     
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  8. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    I;ve foudn there seeme to be a ;holding period' now between G crawling and indexing/and or counting you links which didn't seem to be there before.

    I've noticed this in various diff scenarios whether with blasts or not. I think it might have to do with not having unique content making these things more stubborn. I noticed it not only with profile/SB blasts but also with a cpl new sites where I was lazy and just scraped and spun the top ten of my kw for content :D.

    Still not sure what's up with that but there def seems like a 1-2 week delay between links getting indexed and counting these days with the spammy ones.

    Now whether they count positively or negatively I'm still undecided but many tests have indicated negatively of late.
     
  9. FuryKyle

    FuryKyle Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I don't blast these directly to my money sites, but they do help give juice to buffer sites.
     
  10. mantwo

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    You need a buffer in between.
     
  11. Autumn

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    I'd say that this was a poorly designed test because:

    a) the keyword "farmville" is extremely competitive and 1k indexed shitty profile links (with no further backlinking or pinging done to your profiles) isn't going to rank;
    b) you've only demonstrated that cranking 40K spammy profile backlinks in one go doesn't work very well;
    c) 1 week isn't really long enough to see results after you've dropped 10K links;
    d) a one page wonder with no outlinks isn't necessarily the best target you could be sending your links to.

    Basic experimental design would indicate that you have to have multiple trials if you want to prove anything; all this is is an anecdote.

    The fact that you have gone from nothing to 144 in Y! in a week with nothing but one simple blast for a very competitive keyword shows that there is most definitely still life in forum profiles!

    While the value of forum profiles may have been scaled back recently, they're still a value weapon in any BH link builder's arsenal.
     
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  12. MyWayOr

    MyWayOr Registered Member

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    I'm even thinking that crappy profile links may PULL YOUR SERPS DOWN. At least one of my site makes me think so and I'm currently running an experiment for that.

    Maybe good profiles, with good article about your subject in it, still works, but you probably can't use xrumer for those... (I haven't used xrumer myslf)
     
  13. Ranko Jones

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    I recently had 10 k blasted to one of my mine kws and same again to another one so will see how it pans out once I get them through indexing.
     
  14. mantwo

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    They ain't dead, as already mentioned, you just gotta use buffer sites.
     
  15. Marcink99

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    webmaster tools show 4260 links I started with 384
    yahoo shows 1637

    currently site is at 154 position in yahoo up from 156 where I started. Still not ranking in google despite extra 4k links

    If profile links have no effect on money sites why would they have any effect on buffer sites?
     
  16. PinkBitz

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    I disagree, I had 20 forum profiles created with two links in each direct to my main site. Took a KW that had been sitting around 10 - 12 to 1 in less than two weeks and it has been there ever since.

    Quality and quantity play a part when building links, IMO. If you build in a more natural way say 10 forum profile links a day etc it will be much more useful than 1000s of links in a short time, maybe that's where you went wrong.
     
  17. BigMarcusStud

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    But they're not indexed all at the same time, right? So it doesn't matter if I make a blast for 5,000 profile links if they won't be indexed all at the same time.

    Maybe if you pinged all of them, that's where the problem lies.
     
  18. ninny83

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    Very accurate comment, just what I would suggest...I'd add also to consider domain age and linking pages age (how much time a link has been alive), I'd consider competitors power too.
     
  19. steviep

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    That depends on how strong your existing link profile is. If you're just creating profiles then yes, they're not worth a whole lot. You should use them as properties. What do you have on a forum profile? A fresh page on an authority domain with the only link leading to your website. Submit it to social bookmarking sites, build a couple backlinks, and you now have a page with some authority linking to you.