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Is it possible to find out if you have a penalty without installing GWT?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by fad3r, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. fad3r

    fad3r Power Member

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    The title says it all. I have a customer with a site that had crap on page & he built a ton of backlinks & all he does is dance between 160 - 340. We rebuilt the page so that the on page is solid (4 days ago) but still dancing. If it was not the on page that was the problem he must have some kind of penalty but he doesn't have GWT.
     
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    ja1myn Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure the only way to find out if you have a penalty is to have GWT installed.
     
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    what is GTW ?
     
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    ja1myn Senior Member

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    Google Webmaster Tools.
     
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    Maybe he dosen't have any penality.
    The competition might be verry strong,and the ammount and quallity of backlinks could not be enough to get him in top 100.

    Some new site I have in a VERRY strong competition niche ,is dancing for about 1-2 months between top 50 and top 200.This usually happens when the on-page seo is garbage,like my case because i'm promoting a SE.
    I think this haves to do more with the Trust rank,then backlinks alone.
     
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    lethallp Junior Member

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    Is only common sense, if you use to rank for good keywords on the top 10 of google and now you are on pages 80 and above, well that is a penalty, but not only check for one keyword, check for all the keywords that you used to rank if they are nowhere to be found, well that's a penalty
     
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    If your site gets de-indexed or drops in ranking then that's it.
     
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    acotut Elite Member

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    Well,this isn't 100% accurate because I had clients that had penalities only on a few pages,and not the entire website (all keywords)
     
  9. fad3r

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    Never made it past 151. I am guessing it's the on page. Hopefully google re evaluates the site now that it is rebuilt. Anyone know how long that takes?
     
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    This is interesting. U think this is because the site is only 3 weeks old. This is why I thought it might be a penalty because the site is so young yet has about 2k backlinks (most are pr1 & above though & not too spammy)
     
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    fad3r, give your site a little bit time. When you are in big niches, it takes some time to show up. Just keep building constant backlinks with constant velocity, don't over go with a certain limit as you site is new and after that your site will come on the top very soon.
     
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    There are only 2 factors that could have gone wrong

    A) horrible on page (this is now fixed so waiting for google to reevaluate). Also provided way better content

    B) Penalty for building so many links so fast. Since we don't have GWT installed we are kind of in the dark on B. I am going to give it another 3 weeks before I assume it's a penalty & abandon the domain.
     
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    How much links you guys were indexing a day?

    I have seen some guys indexed like 200 links a day for fresh new site and they are ranking on #2 - #4 for pretty medium competitive niche.

    Some other factors can be involved that you guys might use poor spun content while creating backlinks.
     
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    Maybe 200, 300 at most. I'm sure not all were indexed as some were done by senuke, others by article samurai, some by linkwheel bandit & finally GSA. Nothing super spammy like xrumer to money site or scrapebox AA blasts. The articles are all super spun so I know the content is not poor.

    Do you know, by any chance, how long it takes google to recalculate ur site rankings after you do major changes like rebuilding the whole site from scratch? It's possible it has not recalculated yet because the mass changes were only 4 days ago.
     
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    Its depends on several factors.
    Did you rank the inner pages or you made 2000 links on money site. ?
    How much post you have got on the money site.?
    What about Anchor text diversity?
     
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    GSA & Article Samurai were used to point to the inner pages (those of course are all gone & im starting over since it's a dif template). LWB & SEnukwe were used for the main page. I think most of the anchor text is the keyword but these are spread over the whole site (as of a few days ago I added click here, site address, etc, probably too little too late). I saw ur pm when, I appreciate it, when I get back from Denver on Mon I will add u.
     
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    Going through the same thing myself. This is my situation:

    1. #1 spot for target keyword (according to majestic seo) only has ~5 backlinks using target keyword anchor text.
    2. Blasted my website (~1 month old) - my tier 1 is entirely whitehat, with ~50 backlinks total, and ~15 of those are exact anchor for target kw.
    3. Tier 2 consists of a somewhat "quality" scrapebox list. Just a small blast, ~5k livelinks. But these are all niche relevant + low obl pages, with pr.

    Its been 3 weeks and nothing yet.

    I don't think its a penalty, I did a lot of searching here after week 2 and found that a lot of people in general conclude that Google has just been very slow these past couple of months.
     
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    Same almost. Majestic tells me 7 back links. I have def built more then 7 that are indexed but had the shitty onpage & 1 think I did was submit to a ton of directories to add variety. Maybe too many directories? I never used those before & did it too add variety.

    Does anyone know if u rebuild a site from scratch how long it takes google to recalculate ur ranking? The site is now totally different with very strong on page. Still submitting articles with article samurai & building links to inner pages with gsa & using lwb but nothing.

    Site continues to dance no drop so i don't think it's a penalty but unsure what else it could be.

    If u have a penalty does it expire automatically or is it game over?