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Is it possible that competition is bot flagging my videos so they lose rank ?

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by random011, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. random011

    random011 Junior Member

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    I have a guy on skype who has been in the youtube game for a long time and he told me not too long ago that some bigger youtubers actually pay people to mass flag competitor's videos and that results in losing rank .

    Yesterday I uploaded a video and bought some views for it . At 20 000 views the video was already ranked for 8 of the keywords I used , 2 of them high-volume . I contacted my views provider and purchased even more , faster views and now all of a sudden after I woke up the video went from 19 000 to 30000 views in 6 hours and all this is HR btw 98%+, BUT somehow the video was only ranked for two keywords that I used and one of them was my channel name and the other was a medium competition keyword and my rank for that one actually went down 5 places .

    Other than that after 6 months I pretty much have youtube figured out and I now know exactly what I can rank for with X views and what I should rank for that people search . I can control all of that now, it is no longer a gamble but this situation that happened right now is kind of confusing and stupid . I really don't know whether it is youtube or someone mass reporting my videos. And if reporting videos actually causes them to lose rank that would be a huge failire on youtube's end.

    I see boosting your own videos with views and likes fair game ( as long as not too many people know about it or have good providers ) simply because it gives smaller channels a chance to shine without having to build an audience for years during which time god knows what will happen, but being able to "eliminate" your competition by unranking them , that is a HUGE failire and completely unfair. The person on skype told me that the reporting method only works on smaller channels, if you had 1M subs and was getting 200K views per video, someone can mass report you as much as he wants and nothing will ever happen to your rank but if this is true youtube needs to do something about it.
     
  2. CialisBilligInternet

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    Its very possible the competition flag videos thats how the youtube game works unfortunately.
     
  3. random011

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    well this is absolutely stupid then , I don't care if you pay someone 100$ , you shouldn't be able to simply unrank others , OUTRANKING on the other hand , sure but unranking , this is total bs
     
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    CialisBilligInternet BANNED BANNED

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    Agreed but that is just the way it is.
     
  5. 0xxi3

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    Outranking and unranking go hand in hand, that's how ranking systems work. It's totally possible for your competitors to do all sorts of things. This affects even big YouTubers. You have an option to give them a taste of their own medicine or just ignore it, the choice is yours.
     
  6. random011

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    I could give them a taste of their own medice but I just don't have time and I choose not be a part of this, risking my channel and permanent ban from youtube since I dont know anyone who sells this service. I would ignore them sure but if I can't rank for high volume keywords I don't understand how I am going to grow . It would take years to do what I could acheive in a month ranking every video for high volume keywords . Based on my personal experience social media isn't really a good place to grow a channel . On twitter all people care about is tweets and even if they sub they will be inactive in most cases, facebook is ok but slow unless you have 100 000 + likes on your page which would be completely un-realistic for a 10K subs channel.


    YouTube needs to update their system so that reports do nothing to rank , unless reviewed by an emplyee where only he/she can decide whether to unrank the video or not.
     
  7. redarrow

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    Have you cheeked if you have been flooded via bad backlinks added to your video check.

    Google Can delete then for you....

    Have a look .
     
  8. neilbhabuta

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    It could be true ... youtube have a strange ranking policy
     
  9. random011

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    correction , the second keyword I am currently ranked for is actually somewhat high volume , not medium but im 10th and used to be 5th
     
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    Do you mind answering? How man views do you buy roughly per video and do you unlist them first or straight public then send the views?

    About the reporting... I would say keep doing what you do and maybe change the keywords a bit to avoid reporting?
     
  12. NoGameNoLife

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    Well at least it's better now than the old YT flagging system which instead of rank drop with botted flags would terminate your entire channel...
     
  13. jcorm970

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    Yes, competitors do this. Life isn't fair
     
  14. islandman1010

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    People have been flagging and ranking down videos for a very long time. It's part of Youtube. I know it isn't right but what makes that any different to you buying views to outrank people who didn't buy views... you just sent their rank down didn't you when you increased yours. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    Yeah Ranking and Deranking comes together. I would suggest to not lose hope and go ahead with the project, soon you will get success.