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Is it okay to blast a high PR website with LOADS of backlinks, compared to a low Pr site?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gucciboy, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. gucciboy

    gucciboy Regular Member

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    I still see myself as a rookie in the whole SEO game. There are so many factors that plays in.

    I'm basically doing Youtube + Clickbank. Blasting backlinks, but with little results so far. I might be impatient, or targetting too big keywords (10.000+ searches monthly).
    I have tried with smaller keywords too, but I just don't see the point. I want to make the big bucks. I'm not into weight loss or anything like that at all. My keywords are low to medium competitive.

    My question is: How much better is 10 Pr8-Pr9 backlinks compared to 100 Pr2 backlinks? I try to mix it all up. I've added social signals too, but try not to go overboard.

    Also, I've been looking into a route like this:

    EzineArticles => Youtube => Clickbank Offer.

    Ezinearticles is a high authority domain, and some videos are hard or even impossible to get on the first page of Google. So I was thinking, I might be able to do it with an article instead. Blasting backlinks to it etc. etc.

    I'm frustrated right now. I am making sales, but from old videos made more than a year ago. I make $50 a week at most, and would like to get back into the game. I did good in 2013. Daily sales and all, but it seems like Youtube is getting harder and harder.

    Please give me some advice if you have any. Thank you :)
     
  2. wickid

    wickid Junior Member

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    You can easily blast high authority sites like Facebook, Twitter, Google+ with tons of junk links and they will not be penalized. Ranking Web 2.0 sites with high domain authority is still pretty simple with the old blackhat way of blasting links. I can typically get multiple properties on the first page of Google by just using GSA and pumping hundreds or thousands of links a day at the higher authority properties. When it comes to my actual site, I have to be a lot more careful as it is not trusted in the eyes of the search engines.
     
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  3. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    You are right about that. But most video marketers I know aren't even aware of the most important factors (which I'll get to).

    That's no surprise.

    You don't hang out on these forums a lot and MUCH has changed in the YT/CB game since back in the day when you were making hundreds / week.

    EXAMPLE: I posted results of a large, year long study I did (almost a year) where I tracked 10,000+ CB videos / money keywords ALL ranking on page 1 of Google. Starting from January 2014 and ending in October.

    I've written the specific results in another thread, but to simplify the data, ***64%*** of these keywords were DERANKED, DEVALUED and DEMOTED >>OFF page 1.

    I can give you a bit of background too. In Dec 2013 Youtube did a massive press release. They were all over the tv, radio and internet. Stocks were going down, stock holders were complaining, so youtube announced war against spammers. This "war" manifested in a 3 level approach:

    1) The invested in a much more sophisticated retention algo. So videos started getting banned left and right and till this day things haven't returned back to normal.
    2) They hired thousands of new staff to manually review videos. They are blazing fast now at getting videos taken down. If you're doing any type of hard or direct sales in your video, chances are they'll get to it and ban it. Prior to Dec 2013/Jan 2014 you could direct sell like crazy but now the whole game as changed.
    3) The final and most staggering blow. Google / Youtube decided as the icing on the cake to devalue and derank a HUGE percent of videos directly from the SERPs. My numbers show 64% which is INSANELY high.

    This means the pool of rankable keywords is exponentially smaller. It's exponentially harder to find rankable keywords (without a YT bot of some type your hopeless). And it takes far more work for far less return.

    Patience is always a factor but your searches aren't that crazy. I myself prefer keywords around 1000-5000 SM. Not just cause they're easier to rank but because they generally convert wayyy better. There's a much larger pool to pick from. And most importantly you spread your eggs across a wide net.

    I was making good money too and noticed most of my most competitive videos were knocked from #1 back to pages 2-3 and others don't even show up on Google anymore. It's all my lower competition videos still ranking and still driving sales from years back. So if I turn on my bot, those are the types of keywords I go after.

    You have to think like this ok. Youtube is MUCH MORE RISKY these days as a parasite and much harder overall. So by ignoring smaller keywords you're adding that much more risk and bs to your method. Plus like I said you're limiting your pool of keywords exponentially since there are far more keywords in the 1000k to 5000k range. If you wanna make "big bucks" that's fine. But you gotta view things realistically bro. Most YT+CB "pros" from a year or 2 ago, the big dogs, the guys ranking for huge keywords... they aren't making shit today.

    PR as a metric overall is useless these days.

    Never tried it so can't give any feedback.

    I see what you're saying but you should really check out the list in Tommy's parasite thread. Where he lists the top 20 parasite sites and I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure ezine isn't on that list.

    You're exactly right. I'd say 90% of guys making money with YT+CB back in 2013 are just as angry as you are. It was a method so easy you could teach a monkey to do it. It was almost like an initiation for all noob marketers. If you sucked at making money online and had no real skills, back then, at least you had youtube. And I saw lots of marketers break their IM virginity that way.

    But these days things are different. You need to accept that fact and get over it quickly. Don't be bitter like I was cause I was bitter for a good year and that shit did not help me at all. It just wore on my confidence and made me feel hopeless. So rather than test other things I gave up for many months. Which is the opposite of what any marketer should do. Just go look at the IM journey section. Back in 2013 you saw TONS of dudes ranking YT videos and making money. These days you see.... none.

    Here's the best advice I can give:

    1) Fuck youtube. EVEN IF you have all the special tools and bots I have, it's still 10xs the amount of work for what it use to pay back in 2013. I haven't given up 100%, but I'm no longer relying on it as a main source of income.

    2) You gotta be all in or all out. I'm seeing LOTS of facebook pages being parasited to the top of Google. Lots of other properties. Again, go find Tommy's thread cause he's got a list in there of most of the best parasite. But don't pick a parasite and say, "I'm gonna use this platform". What you do is find the absolute best keywords you can. Then let GOOGLE tell you which platform is best. This is what pro's do. If you see a facebook page ranking for xx keyword, use facebook. If you see youtube, do youtube. If you see topix, use topix. If you see .coms, go with .coms.

    3) For a guy like you, I'd learn how to find aged or expired domains. This is still a great way to make money with Clickbank. Grab an aged domains, post a bunch of content, turn it into a mini authority site if you need, hit it with PBN links and monetize it with CB. It will take LOTS more work than it use to take to rank YT videos back in 2013, but you'll make WAYYYY more money and it will be stable and long term if you do it right.

    4) Don't give up on parasites in general cause they're still HIGHLY effective. Just go look at some hosting keywords (*cough cough gator) and you'll see what I mean.

    5) You may be reading this and thinking "this dude sounds familiar". It's cause we talked on skype a while ago and you showed me your CB earnings. I know who you are. I know your skill set. I know you don't post on here a lot and don't take marketing very seriously (if I remember I *think* you also had a job and gf eating up your time but I could be wrong). I also know you're a cool dude. But I do think you suffer from a bit of a get rich quick mentality.

    I'm not trying to offend you at all. I just remember back in the day when you were making more money than I was on CB and I asked you, "how are you doing it?! are you scaling??? etc. You said, "no, not right now". I asked why and you said you were working on some other site & business. And I have no idea how much if any you made with that side biz. But you had discovered a working method back then. And even then, at that point... you didn't seem very motivated to plow forward and scale. 6 months later I was cracking $200 days and wondered multiple times where the heck you went. I'm no longer cracking $200 / days with CB but I HAVE wondered what happened to guys like you.

    Now your back, and wanna make "big money" with a method that is unfortunately out of date and very unlikely to make you big money. If you wanna get back in the CB game and scale like I'm trying to do (w/out YT)... you need time. Lots of time to work and test. Do you have the time? Do you have the motivation? Are you in this for the right reasons? These are things I have to ask myself every day. "Am I in this just to make money OR because I genuinely enjoy marketing? Cause I get off on a challenge?"

    Royserpa is a great example of this. Dude busted his ass for over a year on 1 project and didn't make much money. But that dude worked his ass off testing different things. He never gave up. Kept pushing forward and is now doing very well for himself. The dedication he showed, the commitment, the passion..... those are the things that in the end trump all these smaller things like keyword volume, link metrics, methods, special formulas, etc. Same thing with manov, eveneven, those 2 are also making good money with Clickbank. But both of them have done A LOT of testing. You don't gotta slave away. But at the same time it's impossible to win a game unless you play on a somewhat regular basis.

    -BB
     
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  4. senzu

    senzu Registered Member

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    BrecknBrix, your response was so detailed and epic, I had to post a thank you response. I'll have to take a look at the parasites and Web 2.0s that are already ranking and choose to build links on those platforms first. Do you also go for keywords under 1k? I've been thinking of picking a lot of these low hanging fruits because they may be easier to rank. 20-30 of these might earn more than 1 20k keyword.
     
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  5. BreaknBrix

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    I have keywords right now at 720/SM that I ranked a looong time ago but I usually try to keep it above 1k. Either way, your mindset is good. Cause those keywords are much easier to rank and when you have lots of them it quickly adds up.

    For me, that 720 SM keyword generates around 15 hops / day. But that's at #1 on G. So it's ok to go with slightly lower keywords, but you really gotta get those types of keywords #1 for maximum effect. The reason I like the 1-5k range is you don't always need to be #1. You can be 2, 3, sometimes even 4 but still get a decent amount of clicks. But once you get under 1000 SM, if you can't get a keyword past #2 the most clicks you'll get is just a few a day.

    Either way, just try to get as many as possible #1. I see "low hanging fruit" like a huge forest. Most marketers walk 50 feet, maybe 100 yards into that forest to find the "fruit". But smart guys will walk 4-5 miles into the forest. They really go deep searching tons of keywords and if you do that, you can find plenty of keywords you can rank that most marketers don't even know exist. Those are really the best keywords if you ask me.

    -BB
     
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  6. gucciboy

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    Holy shit! What a reply :D. I do remember you, even before I started reading your post, I was like "Hey, I remember that guy!"
    To tell you the truth, I made a LOT of money back in 2013. However my best video got taken down eventually, and I felt devastated. My business, that I tried to build up back then was a new Clickbank product, I didn't want to reveal too much. I had EVERYTHING ready, when something REALLY bad happened, and I had to recreate everything. My website, my sales video, the whole product.
    One of the main methods that I was going to sell as part of my ebook stopped working!

    Have a look at my website, that I actually created back then. It's still up because I paid for 2 years to save money on hosting:
    http://www.7streamsincome.com

    - Now I know this might not have worked out, but HEY - I was trying. In the end, I still want to create my own Clickbank product, and become a vendor. I do however want to raise some money first, and have a steady flow of $$$ hitting my bank account again.
    I'm actually earning $50+ a day on complete autopilot using a legit Youtube channel. I can't reveal it here, but I have not touched it for 6 months now, and my earnings increases month after month.

    It's not what I enjoy though, I enjoy seeing sales on my Clickbank account, it makes me happy, and I've been able to support my mother who's sick and unable to work. I've been sending her some of my Clickbank checks from time to time.

    My income is not 0. But close. I will take your advice and focus on smaller keywords. I know Youtube is a risky "business" model, it really is. So I might create a blog of some sort and start building my own website.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I know my shit, and I've made LOTS of money on other projects in the mean time. Just got tired of Clickbank for awhile.
    I believe the game is harder, but maybe that's a GOOD thing. It creates room for the pros, and less for the copy/paste kinda lazy motherfuckers who rip other peoples videos.
     
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  7. BreaknBrix

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    Haha THAT'S the site! I remember being impressed by the great design. You definitely know your shit and going the vendor route is truly where the money is at. No doubt about it. Like John Hunter, that is 1 man to aspire to. Owns multiple successful CB products, has been in the game for years, huge affiliate list and has breakn 7 figures a month which is insane.

    With me, I'm just more concerned about traffic. When I'm able to drive loads and loads of traffic (consistently) and really prove myself, then maybe I'll have the balls to go the vendor route.

    Either way I wish you the best dude. You're a smart fucker and one of the main dudes who inspired me in the beginning. :)

    -BB
     
  8. gucciboy

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    Thanks for the kind words man. I wish you the best of luck too!
    I will definitely start looking into the smaller keywords. I'm doing just fine already I guess. I have tripled my hop count the past 3 weeks by ranking some of my old trashy videos higher, and by creating 3 new videos. It might sound crazy, but to pursue the sales, and get them is far more exciting for me than the money part. I could easily make 100+ a day on my seconday Youtube account, and I'll do that soon, but for now I'll definitely do my research, test the waters and see which keywords actually have a chance of reaching Google 1st page.
    I have a project in mind for a new Clickbank product. A product that has not even been seen on Clickbank or any other affiliate site before. Something NEW that I'm sure will sell like candy to the right people. Problem is I need to take action, and with such a huge project like a Clickbank product you really need to plan every single bit of your product wisely. You can't just throw up a site and make a crappy ebook. If you want to be succesful you HAVE to put your heart and mind into the project, just like any other business.

    Just out of curiousity, how much do you earn weekly on Clickbank BreaknBrix? A screenshot wouldn't be bad for motivatonal purposes, but you can name a number too if you want. It would be interesting to know from a guy who stuck with the method from 2013-2015.