# Is It Mathematically Possible To Crack The Lottery Formula?

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1. ### nazareth1983Registered Member

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As we all know the lottery must us a mathematical formula, that makes it nearly impossible to have a winner, let alone multiple winners, like keno uses.

Or possibly it could be as simple as the lotto machine gives the owners the numbers that no one played out of all the possible combo's and then they rig the balls some how to bring up the un-played numbers? (Would not cross this one out completely lol)

If you ever take the time to examine a single month of say PA Powerball against a list of previous years, you will notice a pattern if you dig deep enough, with an outside of the box mind set.

I been considering making a spreadsheet in excel to further evaluate my thoughts, and then use that data to create a lottery simulator. These both combined should be enough to determine any possible winning combinations, or possibly at least increase the odds of picking a few numbers correctly. But I would like some outside opinions on if this is a waste of my time before exploring it further.

Any feedback is welcomed; please keep this a fun and educational post and not the target of flaming.

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If it's possible and someone has figured it out I doubt they're lingering around on this website!

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3. ### ExtraWinnerBANNEDBANNED

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Yeah... patterns, mathematic, theory.... Good material for ebook.

Don't believe in these shit... There is enough "Lottery Millionaires" that are selling their ebooks for \$7, so just drop it.

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4. ### IcedCubeJunior Member

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Yes, because really, you can crack odds of a 5:1 return.

*facepalm*

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5. ### Black BeretNewbie

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It is mathematically possible to figure the combinations but not the order in which they play out.

Your best bet (no pun intended ), is to play the same numbers (non lotto winners to date) each drawing and hope that your set of numbers come up before too many years pass you by or you go broke.

You may also try shifting your patterns by 1 place and then play groups....
i.e. play 12,15,26,32,49,18 on the 1st run then 13,16,27,33,50,19 on the 2nd and so on.

BTW, we all know it is damn near impossible to win the lotto but you got to play to win!

No play = no win!

Good luck to you in your quest my man!

BB

6. ### DevianceRegular Member

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Source or bullshit.

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7. ### MaxWeberRegular Member

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I know a guy who has already tried it.... and the findings were that basically
in an infinite number of draws, each number has an exact equal chance of being drawn,
e.g.
in a 6 / 49 it is a 1 in 14 million chance (probability theory)
but, since there will not be an infinite number of draws in our lifetime i.e. in excess of 14 million times x draws, the it is impossible to predict.
he had a university research team working on this to determine the mathematical probability of lotto draws, and the result is simple. i.e. impossible to predict accurately any drawn numbers on any given draw!!!
so, my initial advice... stay away. big waste of time....

BUT

there is one thing which might shed a light for you....
and that is
the combination of probability theory,
with the study of random numbers,
and Einsteins theory of relativity (believe it or not).
and a thing called "laplace transforms".. (what ever that is)

apparently numbers in a sequence which are drawn at random (as is in a lotto),
ARE NOT subject to "normal" probability theory, there is some complex formula which decribes this, i do not know what it is though, so sorry...
that which will determine the more likely numbers to be drawn!!!
(which is great since this is the objective), but apparently that only counts as one factor in the overall equation - but i think that it is the major factor, something about it is greater than 50% of the overall determination???

thats all i remember about it, and I am not sure if it helps you, but if it does, please remember where you heard it first
good luck

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in response to this...
It is mathematically possible to figure the combinations but not the order in which they play out.
yes I do remember something about that as well..... he did say say exactly the statement above, so that poster is in fact 100%.

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Dont they just put a bunch of balls with numbers in a machine and stir it up with air? I don't think its a computer. However Im not too familiar with lotteries.

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9. ### MaxWeberRegular Member

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@money
yes, that sounds like statistical analysis etc...

that it was not necessary to (obviously live for 14 million draws)
that a computer program was used to analyse, simulate and predict the results...
and it was that fact, that caused him and the team, to give up on the research, because although it would have have to get the predicted Virtual results, that
at any time, the overall randomness of selection (and hence prediction) in the real life results were inversely proportional to those predicted in the virtual machine!!!

also, i think that they tried
a). to reverse the theory i.e. a corrollary of the argument which meant that they tried to use imaginary numbers (in the mathematical sense - not the everyday "think of a number" sense), and get the inverse of the equation, but alas to no avail... the results were too sporadic to give accurat predictions!!!
b). they also tried a sample (over 1,000 I think it was) of predictions for the next 10 draws i.e. 100 tickets per draw, and although they almost got all of their investment back, this proved their "theory" that it was not possible to accuratley predict the following weeks numbers to any great degree of confidence.

The research team are unfortunately no longer together, so although I was intensly interested at the time as a casual observer, this was all I remember about it.

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11. ### MiLiTARYiVSenior Member

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I swear I downloaded lottery ..... forgot the other part of the software name. But anyway I used it one week and won like \$50. Now I was just testing it out. Didnt read the instructions or anything but the point is the numbers it picked out won me \$50

and for some reason 8's 6's 2's and 4's are very common. 842 682 585 etc..

12. ### IcedCubeJunior Member

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Are you of the same breed of people that believe roulette can be beaten? It can't. Neither can the lottery. It's first year of high school mathematics: unconditional chance.

There's no way to beat random odds as they are inherently random. Even pseudo-random algorithms can't be beaten without having the source code.

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I can further understand why my website that promotes the 'roulette trick' has made me so much money. Casino CPA+roulette trick+ those kind of people= Money

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14. ### ChampGuyJunior Member

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Am I missing something? Most lotteries only have 50 numbers to choose from. Even if he is doing a lottery with 99 numbers, 50 numbers doesn't really narrow it down at all.

15. ### unknownassailantNewbie

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Any patterns discerned are the results of randomicity. There is no probability that the pattern will repeat.

There is no lottery formula.

16. ### highrider778Regular Member

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actually...roulette can be beaten....by being in a real casino, learning what the curve of the wheel is....(each roulette is man made, and therefore each roulette wheel has an "error" or a set side of a wheel that comes up more than the rest) Put this together with betting the 3rd's and martingale system, and you win lots of money. I've never not come back from a casino without profiting, I'm a living testament...

As far as winning the lottery, no there's no system in the world, it's obvious odds are against you hitting, and that's why it's so successful. previous numbers have no barr on future numbers. If I flip a coin over and over, I will always have a 50 percent chance of heads or tails. I could get heads 1k times in a row, is it unlikely? hell yeah, my odds are 50/50, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Apply the same principal to the lottery, and you have your answer.

17. ### unknownassailantNewbie

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Of course some numbers are frequent and some are not. How could it be otherwise? That is no indicator that those numbers will be drawn again in any particular order.

If there are 50 balls, the chance that a particular ball will appear in any given drawing is exactly 1 in 50.

The second ball 1 in 49, etc.

The lottery is a tax on people who do not understand math.

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There is no mathemathical equation capable of picking the correct numbers in the lottery unless there has been a human error involved,
About 20 years ago when the Irish lottery was launched, a mathematician saw a flaw in the system, the lottery was using.
He put the idea to a group of investors and they decided to back him.

So for thise who are interested , here was the flaw.

There was 39 numbers in the lottery, leading to a total of so many different ( million) )combinations of a 6 number

On an ordinary saturday the payout was about half a million.
But on a bank Holiday the lottery had a guaranteed 1 million pound payout. and a guaranteed 100 pound payout for getting 4 numbers and 1000 for 5 numbers, and 10 for 3 numbers,
What the mathematician spotted was that these guranteed minimum payouts came to more than was necessary to cover every possible combination.
And they did not include the guranteed I Million pound jackpot.
Also because of the extra money they and the normal punter would be putting into the system The jackpot itself would raise to more tham 1 million.

So what happened,
Organising the list of combinations, buying that number of tickets, The system was swamped, Normal people where having trouble buying their tickets, So the shopowners, started limiting the number of tickets to be sold to any one customer at a time,
Did they win
Yes luckily enough they did, but it was down to luck in the end,
They didnt get to cover all the combinations,
This meant they needed to win the jackpot with no more than 2 others sharing it with them to guarantee breaking even.
Luckily they had the sole winning ticket.

Would we do it again,
Even if it was still possible , Not in a million years

Sorry one correction the 1 million pound jackpot was not guaranteed, but we knew with the extra money going into the system it would work out at more than a million,
If I remember correctly it came in at 1.2 million

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I used Lotto Sorcerer for mac. I did lots of trial runs, and then spent got 40 tickets with its selected numbers. I got upto 3 numbers correct on one line. however that only wins \$1. almost every number that came up was on one of my tickets. After that I just played \$5 every now and then.
Best way to go is be the operater of a lottery- your a guarenteed winner.

Probability
Statistics
number theory
chaos theory
Quantum theory (butterfly effect)

I have made money with the roulette method, but have also lost. if i allowed myself a bigger bank i would not have lost.

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