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Is it harder for an orphan page to get indexed

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mqs1000, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. mqs1000

    mqs1000 Power Member

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    1) By orphan page I mean a page on my website that I created that is added to the sitemap, but there are no links to it anywhere. Another words, you can't navigate to that page from my site, you would have to type in the exact address. It hasn't gotten indexed in a week. My website is 7 years old, PR1.

    2) Let's say I temporarily added navigation to the page on my homepage just to help it get indexed and it gets indexed. If I then remove the link to the page, is there a chance it would get de-indexed?
     
  2. cheekykent

    cheekykent Regular Member

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    put it up for adoption
     
  3. Skullator

    Skullator Junior Member

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    I am also somewhat curious to hear about peoples experiences with pages which ARE listed in the sitemap but may not have had much showing on the front page or any other navigated pages.
    I would imagine if the page IS on the sitemap and it gets some traffic due to either people having the link or you creating some good backlinks to the page then Google's crawlers will find it and index it eventually.
    As for any negative effects or points lost for your page not being linked to by the other pages, I'm in the dark too but I would assume logically Google might value the page slightly less because of it... or maybe not since it is on the sitemap lol. Any seasoned SEO's care to shine some light on this query? Maybe with backlinks the orphan page can do just as well as any other, I hope so.
     
  4. socialblast

    socialblast Regular Member

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    An orphan website has no parent pages
     
  5. Skullator

    Skullator Junior Member

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    Certain CMS systems like Drupal allow for you to publish new content, add it to the sitemap, and just not even add the link \ block anywhere where it is humanly accessible.

    So while I get your joke and it is funny, it isn't always completely accurate when you consider advanced CMS websites rather than manual HTML efforts.
     
  6. Techxan

    Techxan Elite Member

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    The orphaned page will not rank, or at least that has been my experience. Google can see it, and it will show up under a "site:" query, but it will not rank. It will also not gain PR.

    Worse, enough orphaned pages can cause your site to get dropped into the supplemental index, instead of the main index.

    Needless to say, this is very bad for SEO.

    Is there a reason for doing this to the page?

    To your actual question. Google indexes pages two ways, by following inbound links and by parsng the sitemap. Parsing the sitemap will only happen every 60 to 90 days. The orphaned page should show up the next time your sitemap is parsed.

    Going into webmaster tools and selecting "fetch as Googebot" should cause googlebot to parse your sitemap immediately.
     
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  7. stugz

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    Based on the number of hacked sites ranking in all sorts of serps I would say there should be no problem.
     
  8. mqs1000

    mqs1000 Power Member

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    It's an orphan page because it contains an article that repeats the keyword at 2% density and just sounds silly and I don't want website visitors to read it, however unique and perfectly optimized the article is.
     
  9. Techxan

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    Generally speaking, putting a web page on your site that you don't even think enough of to link to is a bad idea.

    In your mind, what purpose will this hidden page serve?