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Is Is possible that people are hijacking my sales?!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by NickE83, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. NickE83

    NickE83 Junior Member

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    Hey everyone,

    I am new here, and am very glad to have found this place :D

    I am just wondering if anyone can give me any suggestions.

    I have been targeting a couple of really good buying key words

    in my target niche, I know that one of them is definitely a buying

    keyword, because it includes buy, lol. anyway i use conversion prophet

    and i can tell that people are interested in my page and my copy is doing

    its job, the really weird thing is that i am getting almost no sales. I have had

    like 2 sales in a week with about 100 clicks. Its almost like someone is stealing

    my commissions somehow. Is this possible? I am really hoping that there is no

    way that someone can infiltrate and somehow get your commissions from the

    time in between when someone goes from your page to your affiliate page. I

    know this is massively paranoid, but my results are unusual and I am just

    wanting to get any ideas from you guys. If you think I am just being a

    conspiracy theory wacko, no problem, I hope so....

    Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

    If anyone wants to see my page, pm me and ill send you the link.

    Thanks for your time everyone :)

    Nick
     
  2. bigtek

    bigtek Newbie

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    2 sales out of 100 clicks sounds good to me, how many sales do you usually get out of a 100 ?
     
  3. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    The original post is shaped like a weird boob.

    That said, trusting software to predict the efficacy of sales copy and the amount of sales you'll get is probably not the best idea.
     
  4. boomboomer

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    roflmao .. Great observation!
     
  5. Product

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    second that boomboomer... Someones not thinking about their work.
     
  6. NickE83

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    I guess, but this is very targeted, buying stage traffic, so its a bit weird that they are converting that low, when they are obviously reading my copy and are very interested.

    I can't see how there is anything wrong with knowing how long my traffic is staying on my page, I think its a HUGE advantage. Of course its just one piece fo the puzzle.

    I would expect 10% for this, but anyway, I guess time will tell.

    Sorry no boob this time, lol
     
  7. entity

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    Maybe there is something that turns your potential buyers off. Something in the sales copy, that shouldn't be there.
     
  8. NickE83

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    Possible, the thing is that the sales page usually converts very well, at about 10-15%

    I am just going to have to give this one more time, and keep testing i think, thanks for the suggestion though. :)
     
  9. interpro

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    Are you selling Clickbank products? Many people are familiar with Clickbank, so if you send them to a vendor's salespage and the 'hop=affID' appears in the URL shown in the browser address bar, they'll know it's a high commission product. If they decide to buy, they'll just go back to the salespage thru their own affiliate link. That way, they get a 50% or 75% discount and you get nothing.

    One way to add a little protection against this happening is to open the sales page in an iframe on your site. That way, the address bar URL will still show your site, instead of the vendor's site (along with your affID).

    As an alternative, since you say your ad copywriting is good, why not create your own salespage for the product and if the customer clicks your 'BUY' button, send him directly to the Clickbank order page for the product with yoyur affID embedded?

    Of course, neither of these methods will be absolutely foolproof in protecting your commissions, since the final destination is the Clickbank order page. Once people see that, they can always back out and go thru their own link to cut you out of the deal.

    People can be sneaky, no doubt. I even had one guy that looked at the huge bonus I offered for buying a Clickbank product thru my link. He then went thru his own affiliate link to cut me out of my commission and then emailed me, asking for the bonus!

    I have substantially reduced advertising expenditure for Clickbank products due to reduced sales that I attribute to people going thru their own affiliate link. I spend my time advertising, preselling, providing huge bonuses and then I lose the commissions. The same thing can happen with products sold thru paydotcom affiliate links.

    The ideas I've given you here may help somewhat, but I don't know of any absolutely sure method to protect your sales.
     
  10. NickE83

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    Thanks for your comments interpro, the thing is, this in not in the IM niche, and wouldn't it be pretty unlikely that most people would not buy stuff through their own link in a lot of markets, simply because they would not know and secondly because they would have to be an affiliate and get other sales to get their mone y from clickbank, unless they had 5 different credit cards set up, and were very sneaky.

    I really can't see that beeing the case in this niche. I am thinking that maybe i should just make my page the sales page, as the keyword im targeting includes "buy" in it. Maybe the method of having a presell review that I am using is just taking them down a path that is too long and also making them analyze it too much.

    How do i do the iframe that you suggest, is there a thread on how to do this on this forum?


    Thanks for you help,

    Nick
     
  11. DrJekyll

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    Maybe someone is cookie stuffing your niche
     
  12. interpro

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    Hi Nick,

    Using the iframe is easy. Here's the code -

    <iframe src="insert afflink" height=200 width=100% frameborder=0></iframe>

    Insert the affiliate link you want to promote where it says insert afflink. You can set the height value to a larger number to avoid scrollbars on the iframe.

    As you can see, using the iframe approach is simple and easy.

    If you think your salespage is too long, why not shorten it a bit and see if you get better results? In general, people don't like to read long pages of text - they want bullet points and videos so they don't have to work too hard. What do you think - is it worth a try?
     
  13. ghands

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    Wierdly formatted post, but other than that have your stats shown any unusual variations, or cycles recently ?
     
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    It's very possible.. especially if your merchant gives credit to whomever the buyer visit last (cookied last).. they can override your cookie and they get the credit eventhough the sales come from your webiste... i think this method is not blackhat.. it's stealing from other affiliate...
     
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    Thanks for all your input, and i am aware of cookie stuffing. And about to

    start implementing it myself. However, I do not see how someone could

    possibly stuff a cookie, if the person is clicking on my link to go to the affiliate

    page. I do not think its possible, and if it is, well maybe i don't have the conscience

    for this industry. If it was possible somehow, it would render your affiliate efforts

    absolutley useless, and I shudder at the thought. Anyway i think i was just getting

    a bit annoyed that I was not making any sales. It could in fact be that the keyword

    that I originally thought was so great was not so great, I am sure it wouldn't be the

    first time someone has got that wrong.

    Cheers,

    Nick
     
  17. havokb8

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    nick,

    welcome to the world of affiliate marketing man....you really just cant expect to have a high conversion rate on products requiring a credit card, if thats what your doing....

    2 out 100 clicks is really not that bad of a conversion rate for such products...ive been there man so many times where you are sure you should be getting more conversions......but its just the way it is man
     
  18. NickE83

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    Yeah i know youy right havoc,

    I guess in some ways its a numbers game

    and you have to have as much of your "stuff"

    out there as possible. I have noticed that just

    by being proactive and getting my links out there

    that i make more sales. Vague i know, but true :D

    Thanks for your comments,

    Nick
     
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    Another possible scenario is Zango. Since the niche you are targeting is not IM, alot of them have Zango installed. If that is the case, some one or some people may be targeting your url for advertising, therefore overriding your affiliate cookie.

    A user of zango, usually a non internet marketing types gets targeted advertising based on the url and keywords they use. So if they click on your ad and land on your page, you drop your cookie, then Zango launches a advertisers website in a new window possibly overriding your cookie. Then when the user goes to buy the product, the Zango advertisers cookie gets the sale and you don't

    I have found several people in the past doing that to me. Want to find out?

    1- install zango, visit your site and niche words and see if zango launches and website and check your cookies.

    or

    2- open a zango advertiser account and bid on your url and see if their are any advertisers bidding on your url.
     
  20. NickE83

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    Ok,

    when it comes to zango, i just have no idea. I went to the site.

    Do i want to become a publisher, sorry i really don't understand what

    zango is and how it works with IM. Is there a basic run through of how

    to use zango anywhere? just need the basics and then i will follow your

    suggestions, thanks. I actually had a sale today :D so it seems that my

    affiliate code is getting clicked and working for my credit. I gather that if

    the zango thing was happening like you said, it would always happen and

    i would not get any sales.

    Thanks for your ideas, very interesting stuff.

    Nick