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Is Data Bombing Against The Rules (ie. Pooling All Negative Reviews in a Salesthread)?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by BreaknBrix, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    As much as I love this forum this is something I've never understood.

    For example. Last year I posted in some Yelp thread to trade reviews in my local area. Then my inbox was spammed by a member selling reviews for $50 a pop and he wrote, "I have excellent reviews in my thread, a 90% stick rate.." then went on to pitch his service.

    Now at the time I wasn't sure.... and tbo I'm STILL not sure if that's considered "spam". That is, if you post in a Yelp review thread (outside the marketplace) then someone pm's and pitches you their Yelp salesthread.

    I'd imagine he pm'd many others in that thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ade-reviews-buying-reviews-2.html#post7464192

    Anyway, the reason this pissed me off is NOT that the dude is trying to make money. I'm all about making money. But I'm all about standing by your word.

    Please do not fucking tell me you have "excellent reviews" or a "90%" stick rate then I get excited, click on your thread and see negative reviews everywhere. The ratio just on that one page was 3/1 negative to positive.

    Obviously, since I'm a review junkie, have made $$$ with reviews... I got very curious.

    So I did some basic data collection in his thread. I thoroughly skimmed through all 13 pages (it's now 20) then quoted all his negative and positive reviews. The ratio was similar (but a bit worse) then what I wrote above.

    In a nutshell this is what happened.

    1) First, HE messaged ME about his service. I'm pretty sure that's unsolicited aka "spam": http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/misc.php?do=vsarules
    2. Don't spam/abuse any other member via e-mail or Private Messages.

    2) Second, he lied his ass off about his "excellent reviews" and "90%" stick rate. The data from his thread showed the complete opposite.

    3) So I decided, "since this guy posts all his positive reviews on every page, but wants to lie about the quality of his reviews and stick rate, I'm gonna drop a data bomb and quote all his negative reviews".

    Which is precisely what I did.

    I wasn't thinking let me "attack" this guy. I was thinking "since I did ALL THIS WORK to HELP MYSELF let me HELP NOOBS better judge his service.

    And of course that post got deleted immediately.

    For some reason it's ok to quote and respond to 1 or 2 negative reviews. For some reason it's ok for sellers to biasly quote and single out all of their positive reviews. But if a member quotes all their negative reviews ... suddenly we're overstepping boundaries? And if we are overstepping boundaries, how are sellers NOT overstepping those same boundaries by singling out all their positive reviews???

    I saved those quoted reviews in msword like a year ago. So when I saw him bump the same Yelp thread last year (outside the marketplace) I went and found the doc I saved. And I wanted to databomb that thread cause it wasn't his. To help noobs. Then I was like, "wait.. could this get me banned?" For simply collecting and pooling data?

    This is something I do quite a bit with salesthreads.

    There was a YT View service that caught my attention not too long ago. So many positive reviews. Then 1 day I decided to count the % of positive reviews, the % of young accounts, along with the mean post count all those young accounts. The statistics were 83% of his positive reviews came from accounts younger than 90 days, and the avg posts per account was >>8 posts. -_-

    The dude was called out repeated times in his thread by senior members for using fake reviews in his thread. And they were written terribly. All overhyped 1 liners. So I was about to blow that thread up. By asking, "how can you drive 83% of your sales from another forum.... make all these new members register accounts on BHW just to use your service.... but you are virtually incapable of getting any established members ALREADY ON BHW to use it?" And I was gonna add, "why send all those people from 'another forum' to BHW, to your site, rather than sending them directly to your site?"

    Then I was gonna drop the data bomb at the end. Without making any specific accusations. Just ask that 1 logical question and let PEOPLE SEE the data.

    Yet I knew if I did that, somehow I could get myself in trouble. If we see members on here making 1 shitty post after another after another, members can screenshot all those posts and be like "wtf"? Then like I said before, vendors can pool all positive reviews to bump their threads and increase conversions.

    But if you pool their data like they do .... to challenge very specific claims .... claims that are based on manipulated data in the first place... I don't understand what the problem is? If you have a salesthread that can effectively be destroyed by 1 post, how is that my problem and not the vendors?

    Most credible marketplaces have systems that count the + vs - ... then turn it into a # or % so members don't have to do it themselves. On here, if you take already manipulated reviews.... then titrate some reality (-reviews) into that equation, for some reason you're an asshole... when people really should be thanking you.

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  2. fredfred547

    fredfred547 Power Member

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    Agreed. He's not the only one. There's another member on here, I've mentioned him in the past, who sells a bullshit product and bumps his thread with fake accounts claiming the service was incredible. Meanwhile, real members, generally noobs, end up buying and being thoroughly disappointed because they receive the service way beyond the TAT and sometimes not at all. Not to mention he barely speaks English and never posts anything useful on the forum. Hopefully, because you are quite a reputable member and post very high quality stuff (at least in my eyes), those with authority will do something or at least listen.
     
  3. ItsBlinkHere

    ItsBlinkHere Regular Member

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    I agree that some of the sales theads are bad but you also need to consider that some of the new accounts that comment on those BST's might not be fake accounts like people like to imply. Iv'e heard of some people doing some SEO and backlinking for their sales thread, so they might actually be new users coming in organically. So you may need to figure that in while making assumptions about new people commenting.

    As for you main question. I don't know for sure, but if you think a seller is being dishonest or not following rules, I believe that the first step would be to contact the MODS.

    That's just some of my thoughts!